Comment on What's the point of American police saying "Show your hands" after they shot a man?

blahsay@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  this is why cops dump entire mags without thinking.

  that and most of them can’t actually shoot for shit.

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  • AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep:

    Nine bystanders were wounded by stray bullets fired by the officers and ricocheting debris, but none suffered life-threatening injuries.

    en.wikipedia.org/…/2012_Empire_State_Building_sho…

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  • blahsay@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You say that but most cops still will go their whole career without firing their gun statistically.

    Plus hand guns are crazy hard to aim over any distance

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    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You say that but most cops still will go their whole career without firing their gun statistically.

      you know the other part of that statistic, right? that those who do tend to get into substantially more situations that ‘require’ lethal force in the first place. Some of this has to do with where they happen to work… cops working in departments within large cities are much more likely than cops out in the burbs or sticks. Part of it is also their specific occupational specialty- SWAT for example is just put into more situations where it’s necessary, compared to state highway patrol vehicle inspectors. or the Federal Reserve Cops.

      Plus hand guns are crazy hard to aim over any distance

      Yeah, that’s true enough when your average cop has less than 15 hours of range time annually, and only quals out once a year. The vast majority of distance for police engagement is 3-6 feet.

      Cops need to be better- every round that misses it’s target is potentially some random kid caught in the crossfire. Personally, cops need way more training on not going to lethal force in the first place. but that’s a different topic.

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      • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Police in Finland regularly stop suspects by shooting them into leg which according to many Americans is impossible due to how inaccurate pistols are. That apparently means the alternative is then to dump the entire mag into the torso.

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      • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        cops need way more training on not going to lethal force in the first place. but that’s a different topic.

        Yeah, that tends to be my response as well. I usually try not to second guess a stressful situation where I wasn’t there, but all too often it really seems like lethal force is the goto response in way too many cases.

        The example above where a female cop killed a junkie approaching her …. The post was intended to demonstrate multiple shots may be necessary, but what I saw was that after telling the guy to stop, the cops only option was lethal force. I’d really like to see some of these anecdotes show cops trying other options, even if it eventually escalated to lethal force

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      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I hope you can move to somewhere safer.

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    • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not crazy hard. Just “needs some amount of regular training and practice” hard.

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      • blahsay@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Lol I’m an excellent shot with a rifle but with a pistol…guilty.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Y’all either need better guns or better training, because I never had any trouble with it.

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      • blahsay@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Try hitting something past 25m with a pistol. Better chance throwing it or I do anyway.

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      • AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Certainly need better training.

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  • Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or think for shit

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• SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I saw a body cam video of a female officer confronting a (probably homeless) dude hopped up on drugs. She was on her own in this situation without backup which was fucked up in it’s own right but this guy just keeps walking towards her closer and closer. Eventually she draws, warns him she’ll shoot if he gets closee and ends up firing twice.

  This guy took two rounds to the chest at damn near arms reach and didn’t even fucking blink. He turned around, walked to a corner, layed down and died there iirc

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s possible that a less lethal response would have not only been more appropriate but more effective

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    • SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I agree. That’s the thing with the use of force continuum though, you aren’t obligated to go step by step. If you have pepper spray, a baton and a gun and someone is kicking your ass to within an inch of your life you can go straight to gun.

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