Comment on What's the point of American police saying "Show your hands" after they shot a man?

• FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Got a proper source on that claim there? Cuz… yeah.

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  • be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I did find a great many links to this article, but so far nothing to support that they do it regularly.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/world-news/finland-stabbing-suspect-shot-in-leg

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    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      you’ll note that they don’t say he was shot in the thigh intentionally. I suspect that they were aiming center mass and were just off. it happens. hitting a running target is… well here, the FBI tallies a ~47% chance to hit between 5-15 feet. (this is comparison to an 87% chance to be hit if you’re standing still.)

      Shots to extremities happen, nobody is saying they don’t. But doing so on purpose is almost impossible. Especially on a running target. Even with a rifle.

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      • be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah, I'd think outside of movie-style moments it's not something that makes sense 99.9% of the time, I just thought it was an interesting claim. It would have been more interesting if it were true. 😁

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  • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Situations where Finnish police result to using their firearm are rare to begin with but you can just google it and find several articles with examples of this.

    Since 2000, ten people have died as a result of use of force by law enforcement officers in Finland. This includes a prison guard shot by accident during a training exercise, and a detainee who died of undetermined causes after being fired at with a taser.

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    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      not to be a stickler, but the source makes no mention of it being on purpose. I suspect you won’t find a source that makes that claim.

      Also, as for the general use of force in Finland vs America, it’s two different scenarios. Vast cultural differences in general… but for some perspective… there’s 2 national and 11 local agencies in finland, comprising ~7.5k cops. (per statista), all of which have direct over sight form the Ministry of the Interior.

      For comparison, in the US there are 17,985 agencies, ranging from the federal government to local police to sherifs and state police. All of whom have their own oversight systems. we have more agencies than you have cops. and all of those agencies have their own, unique requirements for training and qualifications. hell, some states, they don’t even have to have any education outside of highschool or GED. (actually in many places… that’s preferred. for reasons.)

      Americans are also rather more violent than Fins. Just saying.

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      • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        At no point have I claimed that they’re instructed to do so.

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• AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How regularly?

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  • 520@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Very rare. You can usually count the annual deaths by law enforcement on your fingers.

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