Me dodging around all the three foot wide potholes my city refuses to fucking fix would be tagged as “erratic driving”, despite never fully leaving my travel lane, and would get my car disabled
Fuck that lmfao
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HelixDab2@lemm.ee 10 months ago
One of the things that was posited was that cars would look at the way you were driving, and if you were driving “erratically” it would shut off.
So what happens when you’re trying to get someone to a hospital because they’ve been seriously injured and are bleeding to death in your car? No, it doesn’t happen very often. But I can think of at least one case: Kentucky Ballistics, who had a rifle explode and blew shrapnel into his jugular. You will absolutely be driving erratically in those circumstances; exceeding the speed limit, weaving, honking, turning without signaling…
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
ExLisper@linux.community 10 months ago
On the other hand I can think of many more cases when someone was killed by erratic driver. It kind of sounds like you’re ignoring something occurring every day and focusing on fantasy scenario. It’s obvious that eliminating even 1% of accidents caused by erratic drivers would save more lives than people racing to hospitals do.
I’m not saying that shutting off cars based on some AI analyzing your driving patterns is a good idea but you really need to think about another argument than “this one guy would probably die this one time”.
Also, that’s what ambulances are for. Fixing the ambulance service would be a better idea than hoping people will manage to race to hospitals without killing anyone.
FontMasterFlex@lemmy.world 10 months ago
in the case the guy was talking about he never would have made it if they waited for and ambulance. and your “fantasy scenario” occurs more than you’d like to admit, especially in rural areas. it’s the old adage, “i’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it”
ExLisper@linux.community 10 months ago
Do you actually know how often it occurs? Of course not. There’s no way to tell because the people that decide it’s “erratic race to hospital time” are not doctors so they have no idea if they are saving lives or just putting more people in danger.
Also, your old adage makes no sense here. Erratic driving is not something that you have stored in your basement and can take out and use in case of emergency. It’s something people do all the time for no reason and it kill thousands of people every year. You’re talking about it like racing to a hospital with a dying person was the main reason why people drive like crazy. It’s not. It’s insignificant % of all the erratic driving cases.
Again, I’m sure there are good arguments to oppose automatic driving patterns detection. This is not one of them.
skulblaka@startrek.website 10 months ago
Counterpoint, all it takes is one person to die in the car because the car disabled itself on them while trying to get to a hospital, and suddenly hungry lawyers are swooping in all over your entire company.
I imagine the manufacturer will have some excuse about “if it was an emergency they should have called an ambulance” and I also imagine that won’t stand up to a stiff breeze in court.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Also, that’s what ambulances are for.
Many people have died waiting for ambulances that didn’t come, or took too long. Houses in my area have burned down because the fire department couldn’t figure out where an address was because GPS gives them the wrong location.
If I slip while working with a chainsaw and cut my femoral artery, I’m not going to tell my wife to wait for an ambulance; I’m going to get a tourniquet on and have her drive me as fast as she can to the hospital, because that will save me 20 minutes–minimum, and that’s if they’re not already out on a call on the other side of the county–over waiting for an ambulance.
DemBoSain@midwest.social 10 months ago
MAny many years ago I raced to the hospital doing all those things. I wouldn’t rely on today’s self-driving car to do it unless I was alone and had no choice.
Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Putting other people in danger. Yeah not a good case
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 10 months ago
When it’s your partner or child that’s god an arterial bleed, you’ll do it too.
You will bleed to death from a severed artery in under five minutes unless you can stop the bleeding. It’s going to take at least that long for an ambulance to show up.
Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I don’t disagree. Would do the same thing. Bit it’s not a good reason.
Exactly why driverless cars are required. Humans are bad at driving. Emotional and self preservation
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Driverless cars would be worse; programming the kind of judgement calls into an expert system is… Not easy, and likely won’t work. They will probably do well with routine driving, when everyone else is also using an expert system to drive, but in an emergency? How do you convince your car that it’s an emergency? And what keeps someone from, say, lying? Like, I’m late to work because I overslept, so I need my car to drive 100mph, versus my home is on fire and I need to get there ten minutes ago to get my cats out?
The problem is that edge cases exist, and it’s really, really hard, if not outright impossible, to plan for them with an expert system.
spudwart@spudwart.com 10 months ago
This is a band-aid solution to a problem caused by a larger issue.
Since in the US driving is an implied requirement for transportation, the barrier to entry for driving a car is absurdly low.
This is a bad solution to a bad problem caused by decades of bad decisions.