Comment on Where did the exploding-heads people go?

• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This isn’t the government or big corporations. This is Lemmy. A bunch of independently ran servers from random people, most of them doing it strictly for the fun of it.

  It’s the same as going to someone else’s house, shitting directly on the kitchen counter and then complaining that you’ve been asked to leave and never return.

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• mo_ztt@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If the most powerful government on earth contacts the largest and most powerful companies on earth in order to categorically suppress or delete certain viewpoints or certain speakers, then by definition that is “‘the establishment’ censoring you”. The fact that you agree with the censorship doesn’t make it not censorship, and framing it in a moralistic way doesn’t make it not censorship. Being moralistic didn’t make it not censorship when the right was doing it.

  Ruud is categorically suppressing or deleting certain viewpoints or speakers? Or some other Lemmy admin is doing so? Can you give an example?

  Exploding-heads as I understand it was facing DDOS attacks near the end (or at least they thought it was), that’s one of the things that prompted the admin to shut it down, it wasn’t worth the effort to try to keep the site up and running under such an onslaught.

  I definitely don’t agree with doing this, to whatever extent it was actually happening. Are you saying it was the US government or some powerful company doing that? Can you point me (or send me in a DM or something) some of the truths that they were trying to discuss that were being censored or silenced so I can look into them for myself?

  Anyway, I don’t know why I’d even try. You know what? You win. Everything is fine

  This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in my earlier comment, about framing disagreement as an “attack.” No one is attacking you, and you don’t need to start feeling downtrodden if it seems like what they’re saying is making some sense.

  Honestly, I don’t have the slightest bit of any kind of personal ill will to you, and I doubt the other people here do either. I’m gonna tell you if I think you’re wrong, but it’s not like that’s a quest to make you feel bad or look bad or anything. It’s just how I see it, and I explain it in detail hoping that it might make sense to some people and they might get some value from it.

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  • Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ruud is categorically suppressing or deleting certain viewpoints or speakers? Or some other Lemmy admin is doing so? Can you give an example?

    It’s fairly easy to get banned on lemmygrad for having a (perceived) liberal attitude, to name the obvious example.

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    • mo_ztt@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I argued pretty extensively with tankies on lemmygrad at one point; they were convinced I was a western liberal and told me so. I never got banned. They got sick of the conversation and the questions I was asking, and abandoned it long before I was ready to quit.

      Not saying you’re wrong; I could believe that lemmygrad specifically is actually intolerant of dissent, in the way sj_zero claims that all of Lemmy is. I’m just saying that my one experience was them was that they never censored me.

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      • Spzi@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah, I guess both can be true. Maybe you have a better approach.

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  • sj_zero ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wolfballs and exploding-heads didn't show up as a response to lemmy instances, they showed up in response to big tech censorship, which we have a lot of evidence was being heavily manipulated. As I said in my initial post, wolfballs was created and shut down before most of the big lemmy instances today even started, and exploding-heads was started before most lemmy instances existed.

    I'm not saying that the US government did the DDOS attacks. I doubt the US government was the cause of shutting down wolfballs or exploding-heads except insofar as the establishment powers that be took advantage of idiots being tribal to push their pet policies to the exclusion of any others (which too many people fell for and continue to fall for hook line and sinker). Another form of attack is the omnipresent risk of cancelation hanging over anyone's head who isn't in line with the current orthodoxy.

    I'm not letting you guys win because I think these replies are attacks, but because lemmy has become so ideologically homogenous in part because reddit became so ideologically homogenous. What's the point? I already know what you're going to say because it's one big groupthink that at one point I was myself a part of (along with most of society), so there's no benefit to it. I'm seeking truth, and there's nothing new to be found in arguing with people after I've been saturated in their unconvincing arguments for years. So you win, yep, stupid me.

    • mo_ztt@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The core point that I’m making is that as far as I can tell, you can express unpopular views on Lemmy. Someone in another comment dug up your modlog to check if you’ve been being censored. I would argue that all your talk about censorship, when viewed in the light of the lack of any actual censorship (on Lemmy) and your silence when asked directly what views you’d like to share that you’re unable to because of censorship, means that what you want to be free from is not censorship, but criticism.

      lemmy has become so ideologically homogenous in part because reddit became so ideologically homogenous. What’s the point?

      On this I mostly agree with you, yes. You can still say your stuff even if everyone’s yelling at you. I’ve done it. It’s fine. Your comment just sits there with a big negative number, up for anyone to read.

      I already know what you’re going to say

      Not even close. Would you like to start talking with me about how the police are generally out doing a difficult and dangerous job, and the vast majority of them don’t do anything wrong and get tarred unfairly with the ACAB brush, and watch as none of our comments get removed? That’s actually what I believe, and presumably you agree with me, and most Lemmy people hate it.

      You actually made me look back in my comment history and laugh out loud, because I found the comment where I was strongly encouraging some ACAB people to find some unincorporated land somewhere and create a whole new town with no police presence at all, since they were saying no cops would be a huge improvement, and they could live in paradise. They hated my suggestion. No one was willing to articulate why they didn’t want to do that though; they just downvoted me.

      I’m seeking truth, and there’s nothing new to be found in arguing with people after I’ve been saturated in their unconvincing arguments for years. So you win, yep, stupid me.

      I constantly learn things from people I’m arguing with, even when their arguments in my opinion are dead wrong. In all seriousness, that’s part of why I’m talking with you right now. Because maybe I am wrong, or maybe in the course of the conversation I’ll learn something I didn’t know before.

      Again: I am literally asking. Please share your truth with me. I would like to know what you are being prevented from sharing on Lemmy. I may not agree with it, but I would like to hear.

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      • Pinkburitto@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well, let’s get the reality out of the way here first before you start acting like you are actually ‘somebody’ of authority or importance to even be answering to lol

        Your motive in this response is obvious. Number one, you don’t even have the same account/s as the guy your responding too, so, you DON’T KNOW his social media experience.

        Not just in lemmy BTW, on whatever other social media he uses. So first of all you are no one. Let me remind you of that, and secondly, no one on this earth owes you an explanation.

        You’re a username on a screen dawg. That’s all you are. Please remember that before you try to play hall monitor again.

        Unless you’re king of turd Island, I don’t see a fucking crown on your head. Or anything else to indicate some subservient request from you.

        your personal opinion DOES NOT MATTER. At all. You are a nobody on the internet. Ok.

        Another important thing here really quickly, mod logs can be purged. And I get the feeling that happens A LOT.

        All day long in the admin chats on matrix, they talk about almost nothing other then how to ‘restrict’ ‘hide’ ‘ban’ ‘give false error on logins’ ‘see users dms and EDIT THEM’ allllll day long.

        You have no brain in your head to deny that. Some if not most of these Admins have serious mental problems to be that obsessed with something that should be a fucking hobby.

        That’s not something I need to prove. Go in the admin chat on matrix and see for yourself.

        Oh wait. You’ll cherry pick the information. Forgot. My bad.

        Give an excuse on how they are justified and so forth. You are predictable.

        Honestly people who are intelligent question s***. The fact that you’ve pretty much already made up your mind as to who is the bad guy and you’re not asking other inquisitive questions about the situation or history or anything like that. Makes it quite obvious that you’ve already chosen a side based on your own f****** narrative. You don’t have an open mind you don’t have the ability to think for yourself. You rely on everyone else to tell you what to believe and the funny thing is is you think that you actually have independent thought when you don’t. Not everything is black and white there’s a gray area in between. But you can’t admit that exists because that’s admitting you are wrong something you will never do because you are too proud in your ignorance.

        People who can think for themselves question s*** and they don’t just blindly f****** agree with everyone else because they say so and because that’s the right thing to do. Do me a favor and don’t f****** respond to me either I don’t have time for low life like you okay. It’s just sometimes y’all need to be called out on your dumb f****** b******* because you think some of us are afraid to when we’re not I’ll tell you that’s for damn sure I ain’t scared of you or anyone else be on the Internet or in real life.

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    • stillwiggle@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • pozbo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        all the tears and drama from soft men and bitchy women

        You made yourselves cry?

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• ttmrichter@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And yet it’s the “liberals” who are the whiny snowflakes.🙄

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• pozbo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  All this talk about being censored and you are still fucking talking. Where is the censorship?

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• SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  So much censorship, how do you survive?

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• awwwyissss@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Everything is fine and censorship doesn’t exist and the only truth is that which the government and major corporations tell you, and the government and major corporations are actually the anti-establishment fighting against the big bad individuals who believe things they’re not supposed to.

  A sarcastic straw man attack is hardly persuasive. Most of the people you’re here fighting with probably agree censorship is a problem… we’re talking in the fediverse, it’s a self-selecting group that cares about that kind of thing.

  FWIW I agree there’s some toxic political extremism in the Lemmyverse from the far left. I’ve almost left because of it. Conflating that with government censorship seems disingenuous. Maybe I’m just not understanding your point.

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