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afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Again. Having small disagreements a generation after the fake death of Jesus doesn’t prove that Jesus existed. You are goalpost moving now. You went from bitterly opposed to having literal anything but perfect harmony.

Now do you have anything better than Paul sounded a bit peeved in a letter and your claim with no evidence whatsoever that religious shishms are required for unknown reasons? Got to give you credit this is by far the worst argument I have heard for your Messiah existing. Because people argued he couldn’t be real. I am glad no one ever argues about fiction and toxic fanbases don’t exist.

Oh and for the record he didn’t write Timothy. I am sure a biblical scholar such as yourself knew that already.

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kromem@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
“Everything is permissible for me” is a small disagreement with canonical Christianity?

Oh and for the record he didn’t write Timothy. I am sure a biblical scholar such as yourself knew that already.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

It’s largely based on outdated tautology dating anything with a whiff of Gnosticism to the 2nd century which only changed up around the turn of the 21st century.

I’d happily wager with you that attitudes around 2 Timothy’s grouping with 1 Timothy and Titus (which are forgeries) won’t last another 15 years.

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- afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  He was still sending them money and I am not going into the Duetropaul argument since it proves nothing.
  
  P.S. do you know what an argument from authority logical fallacy is? Especially since you are going against the grain with your dating of the Gospel of Thomas. Did you know that around 60% of polled Bible scholars believe the resurrection is a true literal historical event?
  
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  - kromem@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    He was still sending them money
    
    How do you know? Because he says so in the letters?
    
    It’s worth looking a bit closer at the fine details…
    
    For even when I was in Thessalonica, you sent me help for my needs more than once. Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the profit[g] that accumulates to your account. I have been paid in full and have more than enough; I am fully satisfied, now that I have received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent, a fragrant offering, a sacrifice acceptable and pleasing to God.
    
    Philippians 4:16-18
    
    Interesting. Paul is getting fancy fragrances sent to him?
    
    Should we be upset about this?
    
    Well wait a second, what do those later cannonical gospels say?
    
    While he was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at the table, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very costly ointment of nard, and she broke open the jar and poured the ointment on his head. But some were there who said to one another in anger, “Why was the ointment wasted in this way? For this ointment could have been sold for more than three hundred denarii and the money given to the poor.” And they scolded her. But Jesus said, “Let her alone; why do you trouble her? She has performed a good service for me.
    
    Mark 14:3-6
    
    Pretty weird how Paul accepting an expensive fragrance is paralleled in the gospels with Jesus being gifted an expensive fragrance as being a good thing.
    
    I’d be very skeptical of just how much of the money Paul was collecting was being used for its stated purposes.
    
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    afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    How much would be enough money to no longer be bitterly opposed? Be exact. The exact coinage needed.
    
    Or you know you can drop this indefensible position that if there is a schism it means there was founder. Since again you have zero evidence of this theorem. I promise to let it die.
    
    Thanks you for admitting the Mark was not writing the history of Jesus, he was writing the history of Paul. I am glad we agree that Mark said nothing about the historical Jesus.
    
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  - TokenBoomer@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Duetropaul, like the drag race? Holy Ghost, it’s real.
    
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    afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Huh? There are 13 letters in the NT that are ascribed to Paul. Of them 7 modern scholarship thinks he wrote and the others are forgeries. It was a rampant problem in the Roman Empire people would write books under a different person’s name for revenge or other reasons. Some people believe however that there are still elements of Paul spoken word in the fake letters, I am on the fence about that.
    
    It is kinda interesting to consider it. There are 27 books in the NT, and of them only 8 are written by the person who was ascribed as the author traditionally. So much for the Bible being a good source of knowledge about what was going on.
    
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