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partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Never trust a guy who says “I’m not a fan boy but” and then repeatedly brushes all criticism of what he’s pretending not to fanboy over as “echo chamber nonsense”. 😂

That’s an interesting stance. The logic of your statement reads as:

If someone agrees with me I’m right. If someone disagrees with me, then the person disagreeing is automatically doing so in bad faith and their opinions should be automatically dismissed without consideration making me right.

Under your logic what statements ever allow for someone to challenge or correct you and learn something new?

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VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Nope. The logic is that “I’m not a fan boy but” is usually as true as “I’m not a racist but”.

In both cases, what follows will usually be proof that everything before “but” was a lie.

Or to put it in yet another way: people who feel the need to assure others that they’re definitely not fan boys…are usually fan boys.

Me being right or wrong has nothing to do with it at all.

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- partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Are you then saying that you’ll consider someone’s opinion that is contrary to yours as long as they don’t mention they “aren’t a fanboy”? Its just those words that trigger you to dismiss them entirely?
  
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  - VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m saying that there’s being open minded, which is a good thing, and then there’s wasting your time trying to talk sense into people blinded by hero worship/follower identify to the point of being unreachable and/or arguing in bad faith.
    
    The latter is a bad thing that I’m trying to become better at avoiding but am doing right now with you and was doing before with Definitely Not A Fan Boy Nuh-uh.
    
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    partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    I’m saying that there’s being open minded, which is a good thing, and then there’s wasting your time trying to talk sense into people blinded by hero worship/follower identify to the point of being unreachable and/or arguing in bad faith.
    
    I can certainly appreciate that. My concern is that it appears your criteria for labeling someone as someone to dismiss looks very shaky.
    
    The latter is a bad thing that I’m trying to become better at avoiding but am doing right now with you and was doing before with Definitely Not A Fan Boy Nuh-uh.
    
    I’m doing a similar exercise with you too, if that helps. I’m trying to understand where your lines are and how you arrive there because I’m interested in knowing the best ways to communicate (to you and anyone else). You’re clearly putting though into this and there is also clearly a method to which you apply your decisions, but I’m at a loss to understand it.
    
    Perhaps its best to part when both of us are conciliatory. If so, I’ll thank you for your conversation up to now and hope the rest of your day is great!
    
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