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• Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It just isn’t as addictive. Period. They are comparing something with ubiquitous access to something extremely difficult to source. If people had source tobacco like they source heroin, no would smoke.

  There are almost no withdrawal symptoms from quitting smoking. I dare you to use H for a month and then quit cold turkey. I will smoke for a month and do the same… we can compare notes about how addictive it is.

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It just isn’t as addictive. Period.

    Based on what evidence?

    There are almost no withdrawal symptoms from quitting smoking.

    Weird, because I sure had them. Like several days of shaking and nausea.

    I dare you to use H for a month and then quit cold turkey.

    I was on various opioids for over a year due to my trigeminal neuralgia. They didn’t work, but my neurologist tried one after another. So in a way, I was using thing nearly as strong as heroin with a similar profile for a lot longer. Quitting them had similar side effects, but it wasn’t as hard. Something tells me you don’t have personal experience with this and are just guessing.

    (My tinfoil hat is these points about addictiveness and nicotine relapse is just pushed by big tobacco to make it seem harder to quit than it actually is)

    Or maybe it’s very, very hard to quit since, again, some people try over and over again their entire lives and fail. I’m sure you’re aware of that, so I’m not sure why you’re pretending you aren’t.

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    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ask anyone who has tried both. Ask all of the people who tried smoking in their teens and didn’t continue.

      I had a minor headache for a couple days, and that’s about it other than cravings. I have yet to meet anyone whose quit who had significant withdrawal symptoms, and some of them have smoked for decades.

      Comparing a clinical doses of opoids is not the same at all as street heroin where no one is controlling the dose. Your doctor will keep your dose standardized, when you do heroin you will eventually get bags that are way stronger, your tolerance will increase to a level that a doctor wouldn’t prescribe to someone unless they were on hospice. Once you have that tolerance, quitting is incredibly excruciating, you will be sicker than you ever have been in your life. Maybe after a week you will stop being sick, and if your lucky after 2 weeks the extreme depression might ease a bit.

      It’s just not a good comparison. Ubiquitous access vs extremely difficult access is the only reason people compare them. The substances themselves are not even in the same ballpark in terms of physical addictiveness.

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      • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Your doctor will keep your dose standardized,

        Yeah, my doctor switched me to a different dosage and even a different type of opioid on the regular.

        It’s almost as if you don’t know me.

        And you have not actually negated the many articles which say the opposite of your evidence-free claim.

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