Comment on I'm Starting A Search Engine For The Fediverse

• gabe@literature.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But they are correct. There are vulnerable groups of people who have a harassment risk against them. We share the fediverse with others, be mindful of that. Making a search engine or an archiver for lemmy is such a good idea with how it functions! but for the wider fediverse… that’s just directly contradictory to its culture.

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  • rglullis@communick.news ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are vulnerable groups of people who have a harassment risk against them.

    People that are at risk for what they write on the public internet should be protected and empowered by having better privacy tools, not by pretending that they can have a “safe space” on the public internet.

    There is no such thing as privacy on the internet. The Fediverse makes it seem that it mitigates the surveillance problem by spreading the information around and not having it under the control of one single large entity, but the truth is that the Fediverse makes it actually easier for dedicated malicious actors to collect data and reach their targets.

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    • smeg@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Exactly. If you’re worried about someone searching for your post then you should not be posting it online (or at least ensuing you use an account that’s anonymous enough that it can’t be associated with you). If you want private chats then set up a group in matrix or signal!

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  • ggsu7@futurology.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Unpopular opinion: overly sensitive people should not be allowed to use the internet. Why should everything revolve around their insecurities? Grow a thicker skin or stop using the internet.

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    • gabe@literature.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There are instances on the fediverse that have harassed people to their deaths. So…

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    • kaffiene@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If people have set up communities that work with standards that you don’t like, you don’t have to be part of it. Equally you don’t get to dictate standards for them.

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      • Womble@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But equally equally, if they set up their own communities in public but just an obscure location, they shouldn’t complain that their public posts are public. Security by obscurity is no security. Frankly its the worst of all worlds to have a place like that as it encourages feeling safe while having the possibility of having the rug pulled out from under you at any moment.

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    • spiderman@ani.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      i don’t support this statement but if there is a safe space on some part of fediverse that is dedicated for people who suffer from insecurities or other problems, why can’t it be indexed so that more people can find a safe space for them too?

      most of the fediverse platforms have good moderation tools that can even ban a whole instance, so why are we still trying to gatekeep the safe spaces?

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      • TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And once you have this index of a vulnerable group of people how do you gatekeep that from the trolls? And moderation tools only work on this platform, the problem is the trolls that take that info to everything these people interact with and make it a game to give them no peace.

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  • 0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Those vulnerable groups should have the tools to protect themselves, but that shouldn't stop the rest of us from having a functional and discoverable system. The internet, and the fediverse specifically, have always been a semi-public space and searchability has been a part of that since the beginning.

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• spiderman@ani.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  anything you post on internet can be indexed. if someone wants to post some thing on their little private garden they are options for that too. fediverse has potential to grow and if we try to stop everything that could help to grow it as “no only trolls will use it”, after some point no body except people who complaint won’t use it. do you want fediverse to be your own little echo chamber?

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• TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Your post is of much privilege, marginalized groups care about trolls very much.

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