>muh trolls
God shut up please. Why do you have to ruin something amazing like searching the entire fediverse with a meaningless arguments about muh trolls.
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TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 9 months ago
I found FediSearch, and also this post basically saying that a fediverse search engine would just be used as a tool by trolls.
ggsu7@futurology.today 9 months ago
gabe@literature.cafe 9 months ago
But they are correct. There are vulnerable groups of people who have a harassment risk against them. We share the fediverse with others, be mindful of that. Making a search engine or an archiver for lemmy is such a good idea with how it functions! but for the wider fediverse… that’s just directly contradictory to its culture.
rglullis@communick.news 9 months ago
There are vulnerable groups of people who have a harassment risk against them.
People that are at risk for what they write on the public internet should be protected and empowered by having better privacy tools, not by pretending that they can have a “safe space” on the public internet.
There is no such thing as privacy on the internet. The Fediverse makes it seem that it mitigates the surveillance problem by spreading the information around and not having it under the control of one single large entity, but the truth is that the Fediverse makes it actually easier for dedicated malicious actors to collect data and reach their targets.
smeg@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Exactly. If you’re worried about someone searching for your post then you should not be posting it online (or at least ensuing you use an account that’s anonymous enough that it can’t be associated with you). If you want private chats then set up a group in matrix or signal!
ggsu7@futurology.today 9 months ago
Unpopular opinion: overly sensitive people should not be allowed to use the internet. Why should everything revolve around their insecurities? Grow a thicker skin or stop using the internet.
gabe@literature.cafe 9 months ago
There are instances on the fediverse that have harassed people to their deaths. So…
kaffiene@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If people have set up communities that work with standards that you don’t like, you don’t have to be part of it. Equally you don’t get to dictate standards for them.
spiderman@ani.social 9 months ago
i don’t support this statement but if there is a safe space on some part of fediverse that is dedicated for people who suffer from insecurities or other problems, why can’t it be indexed so that more people can find a safe space for them too?
most of the fediverse platforms have good moderation tools that can even ban a whole instance, so why are we still trying to gatekeep the safe spaces?
0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social 9 months ago
Those vulnerable groups should have the tools to protect themselves, but that shouldn't stop the rest of us from having a functional and discoverable system. The internet, and the fediverse specifically, have always been a semi-public space and searchability has been a part of that since the beginning.
spiderman@ani.social 9 months ago
anything you post on internet can be indexed. if someone wants to post some thing on their little private garden they are options for that too. fediverse has potential to grow and if we try to stop everything that could help to grow it as “no only trolls will use it”, after some point no body except people who complaint won’t use it. do you want fediverse to be your own little echo chamber?
TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 9 months ago
Your post is of much privilege, marginalized groups care about trolls very much.
MHLoppy@fedia.io 9 months ago
It's worth noting that since FedSearch, Mastodon has actually natively implemented opt-in search on posts.
0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social 9 months ago
That post wasn't claiming that a search engine would only be used by trolls; it was explaining that they shut down their project because a chunk of the fediverse thinks that and complain about any search engine projects. Discoverability is one of the network's biggest challenges and a search engine could really help with that.
TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 9 months ago
Yes, not only used by trolls, but would be a tool that could be leveraged by trolls. And I think the fediverse makes it easier to establish instances for marginalized groups, but also has more admins that just don’t want trolls because nobody here is making $ off them like the corporate socials are. I think if adding search that is going to try and vacuum up everyone’s posts in the fediverse and make them easily sortable/targetable without instance admins permission, then that isn’t cool. If someone is running a general instance that covers nothing that a troll could latch onto and wants the instance catalogued and searchable then that’s fine by me. I don’t think boys should be doing that to the fediverse as a whole without admin permission though.
0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social 9 months ago
I don't think an admin's permission has anything to do with it. If you post publicly on the fediverse, your posts are public. You should have the option to opt out of any indexing (just like you do for the rest of the open web). But saying its ok for you to read this post if it happens to come across your feed but you shouldn't be allowed to find it via a search is ridiculous. Users get to make the choice with each post whether its public or not, but they don't get to control how people consume those public posts.
TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 9 months ago
Reading a post and having a bot thrashing a server indexing everything are 2 different things. If a user used the site like that they would be throttled and if repeated afterwards, banned. It is also one thing to read/interact with a site as that adds value to the site as a whole. A bot that just mass hits links cataloging everything is just a strain on the server an Admin needs to support, with no upside for the instance, as it’s a bot ingesting and no real interaction actually took place.
lautan@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
That’s a good point. But those people can be banned? I guess Reddit handles this by moderation and archiving old posts.
gabe@literature.cafe 9 months ago
People will take the harassment off site especially if they are dedicated enough or use it to scrape for potential personal info to publicly release.
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 9 months ago
How is that different from Reddit? If trolls want to search and scrape and find information on people, they’re going to. You can’t put your information on the open Internet and not appreciate there’s always a danger of that.
TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 9 months ago
There is more effort barrier if the trolls have to do all the scraping and sorting themselves than just popping a term that is a right wing lightning rod into search and getting a list of targets.
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 9 months ago
Yes, but moderation teams on the fediverse are very small, and by nature of it, can make hundreds of account of different servers all trailing that would need to be individually sought out and banned.
It is a game of cat & 100 mice