Comment on Welp that answers a lot of why all .ml are down

hitagi@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Why are so many instances using .ml anyway?

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  • Ginjutsu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    AFAIK, lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml use it because the ml can also stand for “Marxist-Leninist”, and the two primary maintainers of Lemmy are Marxist-Leninists . Not sure about the others though.

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    • luthis@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It can also definitely stand for Machine Learning which is the first thing that comes to my mind

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      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes but lemmy has nothing to do with Machine Learning.

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      • gelberhut@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes, but as discussed several times here and there Lemmy Devs are pro china and anti USA and they admin lemmy.lm. in this case LM stays for marksism Leninism.

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      • hemmes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Hey now, what’s with all the logic and stuff. We only allowing jumping to conclusions around these parts, you should know better than that.

        /s

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    • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m going to have to make a copy paste for this:

      .ml stands for Mali.

      .ee stands for Estonia.

      .tv stands for Tuvalu

      Just like .ca stands for Canada.

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      • Madbrad200@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        this is technically true, but it’s not why lemmygrad, ran by full on communists, chose the .ml tld

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      • Sentrovasi@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes, it stands for Mali, no, it's not why lemmygrad used the domain name. Do you think all the services like Grammarly and Bitly are all Libyan services as well? Because I've got news that may just blow your mind.

        Please stop copy-pasting ignorance.

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      • wings@lemmy.perthchat.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Please don’t make a copy paste for this, smh.

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    • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s not true at all. ML was used as an idiological choice as it’s the only free TLD you can get and you should not have to pay for a domain name as per Lemmy’s creators ideology.

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      • sciawp@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s not true. There are a few other free TLDs. I think five total?

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    • Vilian@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      lemmy.ml, what type of drug are you on

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  • sciawp@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think it’s because ML is a popular shorthand for ‘Marxist-Leninist’ since they mostly seem to be communist servers

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    • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      .ml stands for Mali.

      .ee stands for Estonia.

      .tv stands for Tuvalu

      Just like .ca stands for Canada.

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      • sciawp@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thanks, I know what it stands for but I am trying to explain why that particular top-level domain was picked for those lemmy instances

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      • EnglishMobster@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You are technically correct, but surely you must know at this point that's not at all how domains are used on the internet. Bit.ly isn't hosted or affiliated with Libya.

        And if you ever doubted that the maintainers of Lemmy are tankies, well have I got a post from you, from the horse's mouth:

        https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/

        https://web.archive.org/web/20230626055233/https://old.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/

        Hey all, longtime Marxist-leninist, recorder of left audiobooks, and megathread shitposter here.

        Posting this in light of a recent one week Reddit ban I earned for shitting on US police, as I'm sure many of us have gotten in recent weeks.

        So I've spent the past few months working on a self hostable, federated, Reddit alternative called Lemmy, and it's pretty much ready to go. Unlike here we'd have ultimate control over all content, and would never have to self censor.

        Obviously as communists, we agitate where the people are, so we should never abandon Reddit entirely, but it's been clear to all of us from day one, that communities like this stand on unsteady ground, and could be banned or quarantined at any moment by the white supremacist Reddit admins. This would be both a backup and a potentially better alternative. Moderation abilities are there, as well as a slur filter.

        Raddle isn't an option obviously since it's run by this arch anti tankie scum, ziq.

        I wanted to ask ppl here if they'd like me to host an instance, and mod all the current mods here.

        The instance that post mentions at the end became Lemmygrad. Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad are the same people. They chose ".ml" because they are Marxist-Leninists. They first advertised on /r/communism and that post outright states they're Marxist-Leninists.

        Thinking they chose .ml because they really like Mali is absolutely ridiculous.

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      • xedrak@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Hey, I didn’t quite get it. Can you copy and paste this reply a few times more? Thanks.

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  • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So they can support Russia by proxy.

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    • Methylman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lol so one could say they fucked around and have now found out

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  • RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m guessing because it’s sort of an alliteration on lemmy?

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    • Blamemeta@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Theyre tankies, thats why.

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  • diggit@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It was free, and anonymous I guess

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    • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not anonymous. In fact because it’s free it requires more data to prevent someone from acquiring all of the TLDs

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• hemmes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I know a ton about DNS and its technical functionality, not necessarily the regulations guiding registrars, but the technician in me says your TTL (how long other servers wait until asking where xyz.ml points to) hasn’t expired, maybe? Perhaps the government administration process simply hasn’t executed any action against those particular registrars yet?

  I never liked TLDs that are from random islands or less than stable countries and there are so many great TLDs available now, I simply do t see the reason to use such obscure TLDs just for the marketing factor.

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  • hitagi@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Thanks for answering. I figured it was a registrar thing. How bad do you think the situation will be for other .ml domains?

    I’m guessing fmhy.ml was using Freenom but lemmy.ml and lemmy.ml were using a different domain registrar, hence the situation right now.

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    • hemmes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, not a good situation.

      The main story I found seems to indicate that many government communications have been misdirected due to the typo of .ml instead of the intended .mil - reserved for the US military. 🤦‍♂️ There has been an entrepreneur that holds the contract to manage Mali’s country domain and that’s expiring Monday (24th?). I’m assuming the government is not renewing the contract and will instead be taking over the domains and any related data. He has been collecting some of that data and warning the US government about the issue to no avail…for 10 years.

      Control of the .ML domain will revert on Monday from Zuurbier to Mali’s government, which is closely allied with Russia. When Zuurbier’s 10-year management contract expires, Malian authorities will be able to gather the misdirected emails. The Malian government did not respond to requests for comment.

      Their contents include X-rays and medical data, identity document information, crew lists for ships, staff lists at bases, maps of installations, photos of bases, naval inspection reports, contracts, criminal complaints against personnel, internal investigations into bullying, official travel itineraries, bookings, and tax and financial records.

      ICANN is the body responsible for the gTLD initiative, which gives you names like .social and .world. They are an American non-profit with a multinational committee, handling nearly all of the databases that store our Internet address records, etc., you can be relatively assured that your domain won’t be messed with.

      The instances really have no option here than to test out moving their systems to an alternative domain and “bench test” their migration to discover a path that works or a least come to the conclusion to start all over.

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      • sciawp@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Holy shit this is actually kind of a huge story

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      • Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Lmao if the US military gets phished by a domain typo they deserve it.

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  • Gork@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I never liked TLDs that are from random islands

    I remember reading somewhere that Tuvalu gets like 10% of their entire yearly income from Twitch.

    I now pronounce Twitch as Twitch dot Tuvalu, but I get weird "huh?"s when I say it like that.

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    • thegiddystitcher@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I for one will now be joining you in this crusade 🫡

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• BarterClub@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You can see all but posts and comments won’t be on their server until back online that are a few it went down. So I can visit my communities like lemmy.fmhy.ml/c/artwork that I mod. I can see it but nothing will happen until it comes back online. That’s what understand at least.

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