Of the direct operational sources of pollution:
- co2 - none
- ozone and exhaust particulates - none
- brake dust - almost none
- oil and fuel leaks - none
- tire dust - 20% more
EVs may not be perfect but they’re a HUGE improvement.
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iconic_admin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Does break dust count as an emission?
AA5B@lemmy.world 6 months ago
wewbull@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Even the 20% more tyre wear… That should mean I need to replace tyres faster. I’ve had one new set in 5 years on my EV (at about year 4). My old car was every other year. Sure compounds change, but I’m just not seeing more tyre wear.
storcholus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
In the new euro 7 revision standard it does
PopcornTin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Don’t look at what powers the power plants. Just sit back and think you’re enjoying your zero emissions cars
ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Perfect is the enemy of good.
wewbull@feddit.uk 6 months ago
frezik@midwest.social 6 months ago
You mean the brakes that, if driven properly, are hardly ever used in an EV, and may last the life of the vehicle?
Pretzilla@lemmy.world 6 months ago
*brake
And it should, it’s fairly toxic. Fortunately EV’s primarily and almost exclusively use regen.
n2burns@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Then there’s tire and road wear, which increase substantially with the heavier weight of EVs.
yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Not if we implement a weight tax on trucks and SUVs
GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 6 months ago
I’ve commented on this before, though I couldn’t find it to plagiarise myself.
Ford puma ICE: 1280KG
Nissan leaf BEV: 1580KG Ford F150: 2134 KG Range Rover: 2513KG
Honestly, tax weight and emissions. Build the emissions tax into the fuel pump price and electric charging price.
sir_reginald@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I also advocate for smaller cars, but batteries are heavy as fuck. The same car just swapping the motor with a battery will be considerably heavier.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Non-sequiter.
AA5B@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s really not as much as people make it out to be. I read something estimating an equivalent EV should be 20% heavier at our current technology, although some vehicles are much less efficiently designed and you have the monstrosity that is the Hummer
My Tesla seems like it’s about that although there’s really no ICE vehicle to directly compare to. However the important thing is it weighs much less than the pickups and full sized SUVs that all too many people drive. Feel free to advocate for taxes or fees based on weight and I’ll agree, secure in knowing my EV is lighter than half the population’s ICE cars and that it’s fair. The tendency (at least in US) is more of a problem than the extra weight of an EV.
If we consider the specific problem of road wear, it’s also a much smaller to non-existent problem than people think. Yes, road wear is relative to weight but cars are on the flat part of the curve where a few hundred pounds makes no real difference compared to road wear dominated by big trucks
n2burns@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Tire and road wear are not “as bad as exhaust” like some people suggest, but weight significantly increases road wear per the Fourth Power Law. So even 20% more isn’t great.
And as pretty much everyone transitions to EVs, I expect the ratio of trucks in EVs to come up to the same as with ICEV. I know some people have come down to the decision “Do I buy an EV car or an ICEV truck?” but as more EV trucks come on the market, I expect the size of vehicles to continue to grow.
I’m just trying to point out that EVs aren’t purely good and we as a society should be reducing our car usage in general. If alternative transportation (walking, biking, public transport) is possible, we should be facilitating and encouraging it.
wewbull@feddit.uk 6 months ago
SUVs are by far the biggest factor that has driven vehicle weight.
frezik@midwest.social 6 months ago
Cars getting fatter has been an increasing issue for decades. Some of the people responsible for that are some of the same people now using tire and road wear as a talking point against EVs.
At least with EVs, there’s a path to getting it back down. The primary weight is the battery. Instead of having a 600 mile range EV (which is pointless), have a 300-400 mile range and cut the battery weight down accordingly.