Yeah not wanting to associate with data cancerbook is elitism
TheLurker@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oh look, more elitism post.
So you want an alternative to large closed source proprietary platforms, but don’t want to allow anyone who doesn’t use it via a “preapproved” list of providers?
The level of irony in these posts are astounding.
Quadhammer@lemmy.world 6 months ago
TheLurker@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And advocating for open standards while excluding platforms because “big company bad” ideology is naivety.
r_se_random@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Look at the history of XMPP, to give you a precursor of what to expect. There’s no naivety here. Those who don’t history are doomed to repeat it.
TheLurker@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oh for fuck sake, can you to stop with the “what about XAMPP” bullshit.
The fucking protocol still exists. And none of you bandwagoning twats using it, but constantly talk about it like it was stolen from you.
Right now, download any number of XMPP clients and start using the protocol.
You don’t because you are part of the “big is bad” elitism trope. Pathetic underground elitism.
sour@kbin.social 6 months ago
big company is bad
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It only relates to Threads, exactly becaise they are an enemy of freedom.
Just as you can’t afford to tolerate intolerance, you shouldn’t give freedom to thos who want to strip it away from you.
There’s nothing of elitism in that.
TheLurker@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“An enemy of freedom”. 🙄
I mean can you be more cliche?
Or maybe, out of the 3 Billion active users on Facebook each month, are you, and lost other people, are focusing on the ones who post fucked up shit because, shock and horror, everyone is griped by the propoganda. Welcome to being part of a biological social creature.
Just for a moment consider the following. Facebook priorities posts that get engagement, they don’t care about morality and fairness and they won’t stop untill it is illegal to do so.
I don’t absolve them of their responsibility, but you attributed malicious intent when stupidity and profit is only needed.
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I never implied there’s an evil master plan behind it.
I implied that when greed prevails, any other consideration, freedom included, get bulldozed. And at that point you can safely assume they are enemy of freedom - they don’t have to promote authoritarianism, it’s enough for them to benefit from a system that strips us from our freedoms, amd happily keep operating.
TheLurker@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, you you literally said that Facebook is evil.
Prethoryn@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Elitism: the advocacy or existence of an elite as a dominating element in a system or society.
What you just described is exactly how elitism works. I understand the hate for Facebook and all of Meta’s products. However, this is exactly how gate keeping starts. I don’t want to see the fediverse go anywhere more than the next person but it becomes contradicting and hypocritical to the entire establishment of the fediverse if Lemmy or other federated apps begin to decide who can and can’t be federated. That is the whole image right? To prevent gate keeping and to establish that not one person owns any one portion of Lemmy, Mastodon, etc. However, what happens when an entity on Lemmy does start deciding to defederate a Conglomerate starts making decisions just like Facebook? The does Lemmy not start fitting the bill of not being able to tolerate the intolerance as well? To me that becomes elitism the very thing Lemmy users swear is a perfect system.
I don’t believe Meta is good for anyone or anything but Lemmy users need to understand that you can’t say, “we are different.” And then justifying the very contradiction of being exactly the same by just saying, “Facebook takes freedom.” I don’t like Facebook infact fuck them but either Lemmy users admit they need to play the game like Facebook and that someone controls who is a part of content and who isn’t or they don’t. Just stop trying to find ways that this would be “different” just fucking say, “we want to control the content that is on the platform and who can be a part of it.” Because now you are playing the Meta game on their own terf. Just tired of Lemmy users thinking they are special.
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This is not means for control seizure; in fact, barely any Lemmy admins can afford to exercise their powers against users, as everyone can effortlessly move to another instance.
This is a matter of protection, and you can’t fight Meta without it.
It’s like doing nothing with wolves attacking sheep, because “if you attack wolves, you won’t be that different from them”. No. We should do it and we have users’ support - and the best admins can do is open a vote, which was conducted on many instances (and had pretty much one outcome: defederate).
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
I find it bizarre you think the mere possibility of users from a big corporate service being able to communicate with the fediverse is akin to wolves attacking sheep.
If you really need your echo chamber to be free of people who use Meta servers, you could just block them as a user without mandating everyone else do so too.
chitak166@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Totally agree. It’s unfortunate because a lot of people in the fediverse have social and reasoning skills similar to those on 4chan.
They just don’t get it because they live in a bubble with other people who don’t get it.
TheLurker@lemmy.world 6 months ago
4chan in the early days was just trolls wanting to piss people off. Apart from the occasional post that was truely fucked up, which the community generally made sure the authorities found out who made it.
The current landscape is a bunch of people all wanting to circle jerk themselves to feel virtuous.
The world is just a fucking pathetic eco-chambers now. And I’m a flirty whore for engaging in it.
sour@kbin.social 6 months ago
calls people losers because they dont agree
yuki2501@lemmy.world 6 months ago
If you don’t give a shit abount Facebook enabling genocide, amplifying white supremacism or, you know, selling milluons of users’ private data to the Kremlin, then sure, why not.
This isn’t about elitism, this is about a known bad actor threatening to harvest our conversations without our fucking permission, or using Microsoft’s tactic of “embrace and extend” to destroy the competition.
Anyone can implement ActivityPub. We have no problem with that. Facebook is a corporation whose business strategy has consistently been about harvesting users’ data and selling it to political advertisers.
csm10495@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Even if you defederate they can harvest the data… I mean it’s an open protocol.
lemmyingly@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Why are you only concerned about Facebook doing what you describe?
ttmrichter@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Ah. Whataboutism … but lacking the courage to even name the other whatabouts. Top-notch disputation that!
TheLurker@lemmy.world 6 months ago
If I name instances in the ML sphere posting clearly anti western propaganda, hate speech and the questionable impartiality of rule enforcement in the fediverse, are you going to cry foul?
lemmyingly@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Gibberish
TheLurker@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That would be because bandwagoning is the lowest form of virtue signalling.
TheLurker@lemmy.world 6 months ago
All things that exist already in Lemmy.
And only admins of an instance could artificially prioritise posts on the fediverse, and only on their instance.
Bots, shills and bad actors exist on all platforms to inflate posts and opinions.
yuki2501@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You don’t seem to understand the issue. Facebook IS the bad actor. They’ll allow racists, nazis and all kinds of assholes just as long as they get their sweet advertising money.
Instance admins moderate according to community rules. Zuck moderates according to what’s most profitable.
To put it another way, imagine reddit started federating with Lemmy, and suddenly all the users from TheDonald started harassing our political forums. If that sounds bad, remember how many fake accounts ran by shills and foreign states (read: Russia) appeated on Facebook between 2014 and 2017.
sour@kbin.social 6 months ago
facebook is on other level of bad
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Public posts on social media are well public. There’s literally nothing that stops them from reading your posts without federation, and federation does very little to change that in a meaningful way.
By what, adding features to Threads that make users prefer it over other ActivityPub implementations? The worst case here is that Meta federates, then does something that breaks federation and their users don’t jump ship to another instance but stick with the Meta product?
So long as they aren’t a giant corp you personally see as especially evil, then if they implement ActivityPub they need to be blocked as globally as possible?