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JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 day agoThose ancient greeks man…they were so progressive, with their democracy and their separation of biological sex from their sexuality.
I’m no historian but it really sounds like Greece was a pretty sweet place, at least for the privileged classes. I consider myself pretty straight, but the idea of truly free love is absolutely magical.
You know one of the most surefire methods of oppression…particularly among slaves or a subservient class…is to control their sexuality? Complete control over who, when, and where you may fuck. Tough to do on a population level though. But we can make certain behaviors uncouth. Make homosexuality a “sin”, make sodomy and interracial marriage criminal, etc.
Some things, in our biological and ethical scope, make sense…like incest and pedophilia. Although it could also be said that our knowledge of biology and ethical code also prohibited sodomy and interracial intercourse, while apparently Ancient Greece’s encouraged them.
I’m no historian but it really sounds like Greece was a pretty sweet place, at least for the privileged classes. I consider myself pretty straight, but the idea of truly free love is absolutely magical.
Ancient Greece was very far from a land of truly free love.
The Greeks were mega aphobic
Fearless?
Prejudiced towards asexual and aromantic people.
“A” as a prefix means “without”, in Greek ironically. -phobic words aren’t made by sticking whatever you’d call a thing in front of the suffix “phobic”. It’s not spiderphobia for example.
The Anc8ent Greeks literally made a wonder of the world for an asexual, aromantic goddess and put her in the main Olympian pantheon.
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
The Greeks, and the classical world more generally, did not separate biological sex from sexuality as such.
To a certain extent, male-on-male action between equals was okay if it was grinding or hand stuff (depending on where in Greece you were), but bottoming was definitely not on. Their view of the world was that real men fuck, and they don’t care who or what they fuck, but getting fucked made you a woman, and there is nothing worse that a man could do than be a woman.
The only acceptable circumstance in which a man could bottom for another man is if he were a slave or otherwise significantly below his top in social standing, in which case it was expected for him to “submit” in any case.