Comment on Elizabeth Warren tried to convince AOC not to endorse Bernie Sanders in 2020 by compiling top Sanders backers' mean tweets: book

• Fades@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m no Joe Biden fan but he has absolutely already brought fundamental change. To say otherwise is reductive as fuck.

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  • krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Those are his words which he used to describe what his presidency would be like. If you don’t like that description then complain to Joe Biden about it.

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well, if you want to prove your point list examples, don’t just say it’s true.

    Like, three things that because of Biden are significantly better than when Obama was president, and how those things outweigh all the shit that’s gotten worse.

    And I know:

    That’s not fair! It should start when trump left office

    But the main gripe with moderates is when they get in office, they take 2 steps forward. Slow, incremental progress. You can argue that’s the best method even.

    The issue is because nothing is getting fixed, and we keep running boring moderates, that Republicans get in office an immediately sprint backwards.

    So we don’t see incremental progress.

    We take massive leaps backwards, and then crawl a little bit back towards where we used to be. Rather than slow progress, shit just gets worse.

    And again, I see where someone would go with that:

    That’s not Bidens fault! It’s the voters fault!

    Well, the main job of a candidate is to get elected, isn’t that the defense for taking money from billionaires and corporations?

    Maybe we should try running candidates that voters are excited about if that’s what matters and “moderates” just can’t accomplish it.

    If voters aren’t excited about the slow crawl forward in response to the frantic sprint backwards, maybe someone who wants to run forwards would have an easier time being elected?

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    • littlebluespark@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While I may give you points for your heart being in a right-enough place, your argument is fundamentally childish. Asking for citations is one thing, but gluing a qualitative uncertainty on the end of it is just shitty and simple-minded — devaluing any attempt at debate you insinuated an interest in by even commenting. Then, you continue to blather and rant, stroking your own pet notions in support of your perspective.

      Do better.

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      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Do better.

        Ironic coming from someone that just used a bunch of personal insults…

        Do you want to delete you comment before the mods get to it?

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• themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Assuming he wins, which we shouldn’t assume.

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• Son_of_dad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Nobody said anything about Biden. Why is it always one or the other with you guys? How bout maybe someone who isn’t an old, wealthy, white dinosaur, who isn’t unelectable? Why do Joe or Bernie have to be involved at all?

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  • krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The post is about Bernie and Biden is the current President as well as the Democratic nominee for the next election. If you’re really not sure why those two people are being discussed here then I’m not sure what to tell you. Deductive reasoning is your friend.

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