Comment on Beeper Mini Is Back

• Sanctus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  We use messenger, which I also don’t like. Its ridiculous. If these fucken tech giants aren’t going to right interoperability standards then someone needs to force them to. We made all this shit to make life better and somehow have forgotten that was the fucken goal.

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  • killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For better or worse you happen to be using the one messaging app that is broadly agreed to be worse than iMessage.

    Signal and Telegram are far superior, even putting aside the most glaring flaws of the other two.

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    • spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Signal/Telegram are not very common where I’m at. I have Signal, nobody in my contacts does.

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      • killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’ve successfully converted a spouse, which I don’t think is out of the question.

        I’ve also converted my main friend group, but appreciate that’s insurmountable for a lot of people - genuinely, people hate change after all. I’m lucky to have a lot of friends who work in tech and are receptive to trying new things.

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    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’d say Telegram isn’t superior. It’s default encryption is nowhere near iMessage.

      And if you step up the encryption, you lose group chats.

      For it’s flaws, iMessage is a very good solution, one that Signal was emulating for a while.

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      • killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m not criticising the UX of iMessage for Apple to Apple comms. It’s solid, and was leader-in-class for a very long time.

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    • Sanctus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Its convenience. Why have both of us download a new app strictly for pictures when she is already on Facebook, and I have a dusty one with no posts for a decade. Plus getting someone in the US to download a 3rd party messaging app is like asking them to respond to the Nigerian Prince for his offers.

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      • killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Fair enough. It’s kind of an oxymoron to worry about the trust of a given 3rd party messaging app while using products from a known, wide scale, repeated privacy intruder like Meta, but you have what you need in terms of convenience so I won’t make a further case for an alternative.

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  • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why should they be forced to interop? That’ll just reduce it to the lowest commend demoninator. What impetus would any of them have for investing in making a better system if everyone can use their work?

    We have choices. We don’t have to use iMessage, or Beeper. We can use other messengers.

    Forcing interop means all messengers will function the same… Again at the LCD level.

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    • Tertle950@lemmy.basedcount.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Interop bad” using lemmy

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    • Sanctus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      interoperability is the capability of a product or system to interact and function with others. Why would that force them to all function the same? Why would that be bad for us as consumers? Why does it matter how many choices we have if those choices restrict us to using a specific one? Interoperability solves all of these and causes none of the problems you are stating. Of course they have no incentive for doing this as it doesn’t benefit a corporation, they’re only incentivized to entrap people in their ecosystems cause it makes them the most money. Different messaging standards is one of the ways they keep us locked in. This is a choice, too, one made by the tech giants for you with no choice in the matter. You can’t send a nice quality picture from iMessage to Google Messages, get fukt.

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      • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        How else do you make them interop, other than by finding a common mapping?

        Why would any company map their extended or unique elements, which they developed, to meet government regs?

        They won’t, they’ll drop to the least effort required to get the regulators off their backs.

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  • jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why messenger of all things. That’s the worst one.

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• Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I prefer Signal to telegram and it’s been amazing the whole time I’ve used it

  Now if I could just convince more people I know to switch to it that’d be great

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  • RGB3x3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The better option is to push Google and Apple to adopt a completely open version of RCS with end to end encryption so that regardless of whatever app someone is using, you know for a fact that they can receive your message.

    The broken messaging ecosystem between WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, and others is a shit sandwich.

    People would lose their minds if email was the same way.

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• BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Right, right.

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• derf82@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That doesn’t solve the interoperability problem. You can’t guarantee who has what messaging app. You shouldn’t need a 3rd party app for basic functionality, anyway.

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• Fly4aShyGuy@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s certainly less desirable option for many. But why is wanting modern cross platform messaging so bad? It works iPhone to iPhone, works Android to Android, theoretically if there were other players (maybe if BB or Windows still had phones) they could also achieve the same using RCS with Android. This argument is and has always been about default protocols that phone can communicate with. Of course downloading 3rd party chat apps, emailing them, mailing them a letter, using a cup and string, stopping communication because they chose to use a phone from a different manufacture are all still “options”.

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• Usernameblankface@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I like Signal better than my standard android SMS app. I can send more pictures at a time, video at high quality, and it does groups well.

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