Comment on Boy, 15, given official warning after saluting as neo-Nazis marched through Ballarat
520@kbin.social 9 months agoBut you obviously don't get the historical context - because most of the people the Nazis came for never came back alive.
They weren't handing out slaps on the wrists. When they knocked, they were there to take lives.
Why on earth you think that we ought to give such people a voice in society is bewildering.
muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I beleive very strongly in equality, even for evil fuckers. I also believe its our juty to ignore them and encorage others to do the same.
520@kbin.social 9 months ago
The problem with engaging Nazis and other hate groups like this is that they never plan on stopping at merely voicing their opinion. Violence against someone else, their target demographic, is their endgame.
They aren't like you and me, who want what's best for society but are guided by different philosophies. If they want power, it is only to abuse against their target group. Otherwise they are far more interested in recruiting people willing to do violence against their target groups.
muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Imo nobody wants whats best for society people only want whats best for themselves thats just natural selection, cooperation comes about as a product of mutual benefit hence we live in a reletivly safe and reasonable society. The more society aligns with interests of the individual the heigher the incentive for the individual to want the beat for society. Thats why democracy is such a good system.
I know they don’t plan to stop at voicing opinions but the second they step over the line and enact violence ship em off to prison or ideally rehabilitation.
520@kbin.social 9 months ago
The problem there is that by the time violence started actually happening in Nazi Germany, there was no one willing or able to do anything about it.
If you let a hate movement get big, they're going to have thousands of people willing to commit these crimes, and they'll happen every other day.
Even if you take the extremes of Naziism out of the equation, that's a family home firebombed, a school shot up or a church massacred before you do anything about one individual.
If you're only taking direct action against individuals who directly cause violence after the fact, you put the targeted group in a very desperate position. You're letting the people who are recruiting often people with mental health issues or challenges to do their violence go scott free to continue recruiting more people to do violence.
That's going to add up to a lot of firebombed homes and massacred churches, and a targeted group that frankly does not feel safe in that community. Infact they may turn desperate and in turn towards violence. That's how groups like Hamas come to be .
rainynight65@feddit.de 9 months ago
The second that happens, it’s too late.
How do I know? Because that second has already passed.
OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Ask Europe how well ignoring the Nazis in 1939 worked out for them.
Ilandar@aussie.zone 9 months ago
???
rainynight65@feddit.de 9 months ago
Jesus fucking Christ, this is like the joke about the people voting for the Lepoards eating People’s Faces party, except they’re actually lining up to have their faces eaten.