Comment on Pluralistic: "If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing"

• helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Whether I’m pirating or buying a TV show, the actors were already compensated for their time

  And where do you think that money comes from…?

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  • CybranM@feddit.nu ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It just magically appears /s Its disingenuous to try and justify piracy on the basis that the performers have already been paid. I don’t agree with studios either of course, customers are being scammed

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  • veniasilente@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    From the investors who are paying the cheques of course. They are corporations, they can afford to spend some coins on [checks notes] living wages.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s exactly it. Investors. They are not donations. They expect a return on their investments.

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      • veniasilente@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And such “return” comes after the work, not before. So there’s no reason to condition the wages to do the work, on the potential that the work might be sold or not and to what amount of people. Now that would be air-quotes “stealing”!

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• ominouslemon@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This only applies to cases where the artist/actor/whatever gets paid upfront. Most of the times, that does not happen. The creator of something only gets money when somebody buys what they have created (books, videogames, music, etc)

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  • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Even if they were paid upfront, they were paid off the idea that the company could make bank on their (ready yourself for the word in case it triggers): Intellectual Property.

    In a future world where people have achieved their wish and the concept no longer exists, companies have no reason to pay creators ahead of time.

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  • veniasilente@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can get that they’d not necessarily be paid upfront, but there is no possible legal contract in which they are to be paid only in the future, in causality, according to the performance of a ~~third~ ~ fourth party who is not in the contract. What, are the actors paying their weekly groceries with IOUs?

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    • ominouslemon@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Every artist in every field get MAYBE paid a tiny bit upfront, and then a percentage of the sales. That’s how books and music work, for instance

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