Comment on Just get a bigger fence

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  To be fair they wanted to execute a child for tripping. Fuck the Prime Directive in that case and fuck that planet. There should very much be a clause for protecting your own citizens provided they’re literal children.

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  • CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Its definitely a case of “um, yeah, your application to join the Federation has been denied, pending you not having incredibly stupid laws”.

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    • charonn0@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Which is a real thing in canon. Bajor’s application was put in jeopardy when they briefly reinstated a caste system, which violated Federation equality rules.

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      • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m surprised them being a theocracy didn’t disqualify them.

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  • marcos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    provided they’re literal children

    Yeah, you could just remove that part. There’s no sense on holding the non-intervention principle so high that you comply with every crazy request from the natives.

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    • Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, no, it must be left in because if you stick with your part of “every crazy request” then it completely ignores the entire spirit and purpose of the Prime Directive. Starfleet isn’t the be all and end all of morality. Their decisions affect them and the people within it but they’re not “Team America: Space Police.” They don’t go around judging which laws are good and which aren’t. ESPECIALLY when that perspective comes from them and them alone. Different cultures have different beliefs. Ignoring them and imposing your own on everyone is imperalistic as hell and directly against what Starfleet stands for.

      Adding a clause to children works for me because the only purpose is to protect the children. The Prime Directive is still able to stand and work between cultures but this way Starfleet is able to say “Our cultures matter too and our culture says children whos brains aren’t done developing shouldn’t be executed for a mistake.” Sure it’s still fucked up that they’d do it to adults but they’re adults. They made their decision and their decision led to them doing stupid shit on an alien planet, fucking around and finding out.

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      • marcos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not complying with requests is not the same as imposing your morality. Nopping out of the contact with some population because they believe your people must be killed won’t destroy their culture.

        But then, yeah, the show would have to contain hard decisions, and would be completely different from Star Trek (at least the newer ones).

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      • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah but the principle of it is to let them evolve on their own, when you’re already on their planet and they try to kill one of you then it’s different rules.

        If it wasn’t then the romulans could just announce their new law makes being human illegal and Starfleet would just have to power down their shields and let them kill us all.

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    • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They let Tasha Yar duel to the death because some dude had the hots for her.

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• RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They weren’t a pre-warp culture, the Prime Directive doesn’t apply.

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  • EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Part of it states that while visiting other planets, following their rules since they’re host.

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  • Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Wrong. I dunno why so many people falsely believe this. The Prime Directive applies to EVERY civilization. Not just pre-warp ones. By that logic, Picard wouldn’t have had a problem taking Wesley in that episode because those people had warp access.

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• SpookyUnderwear@eviltoast.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Hey! You don’t fuck the prime directive. The prime directive fucks you.

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