Comment on Pluralistic: "If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing"

• Cypher@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The performers time is not infinitely reproducible so your argument is apples and oranges.

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  • ominouslemon@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But the time to create a novel, a videogame, or a news story is not infinitely reproducible, either. So when you are pirsting one of those things, you are actively reaping the benefits of someone’s time for free, like going to a concert without a ticket

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    • veniasilente@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s a difference between the performer’s time to create not being infinitely reproducible, and an user’s time to use the product being or not infinitely reproducible. Whether I’m pirating or buying a TV show, the actors were already compensated for their time and use for the show; my payment for buying actually goes to the corporate fat: licensors, distributors, etc.

      Whereas when pay a ticket into a live concert, I’m actually paying for something to be made.

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      • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Whether I’m pirating or buying a TV show, the actors were already compensated for their time

        And where do you think that money comes from…?

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      • ominouslemon@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This only applies to cases where the artist/actor/whatever gets paid upfront. Most of the times, that does not happen. The creator of something only gets money when somebody buys what they have created (books, videogames, music, etc)

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    • Chobbes@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, this is the real issue. That said it is a shame and a waste for the results of these efforts to be artificially restricted. I do really hope that one day we can find a way to keep people fed and happy while fully utilizing the incredible technology we have for copying and redistributing data.

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      • ominouslemon@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mean, we’ve kinda already found a way, and it’s ads. Now it’s obvious that the ad market as a whole is horrible (it’s manipulative, it has turned into spying, it does not work really well, it’s been controlled by just a handful of companies etc), but at least it’s democratic in that it allows broader access to culture to everyone while still paying the creators.

        Personally, I would not be against ads, if they were not tracking me. As of now, though, the situation seems fucked up and a new model is probably necessary. It’s just that, until now, every other solution is worse for creators.

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  • Coasting0942@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But it is though: via the power of the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_television?wprov…

    Though you could charge for the experience of other sweaty humans, bad ventilation in some cases, and the thrill of potentially being trampled

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• gapbetweenus@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t see anything wrong with paying for software or music or digital media. I don’t think that not doing so is theft - like I also don’t think that getting into a concert without paying is theft. By the way a concert is also not digital data, at least an irl one.

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• snooggums@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why do you hate libraries?

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  • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A library card is your ticket there and libraries are paid via taxes, which is why they’re free at point of use.

    Attending a free concert is not stealing. Breaking into the Eras tour is.

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    • snooggums@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The library buys once and allows multiple people to read/watch each item without each person needing to individually purchase. Just like one person buying something and sharing it with others.

      The main point is that digitization distribution is not a concert

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      • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Digital distribution is a service. You can steal a service.

        If you fuck a prostitute and then don’t pay them, you are stealing from them.

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  • ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Libraries get money via tax. What people here are arguing for is that others should work for them or free. Because game studios, for example, are overwhelmingly not paid via tax money. They are depending on people buying their software.

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• CmdrShepard@lemmy.one ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do you think I should be forced to pay for a ticket if I’m standing next to the concert venue on the sidewalk but can still hear the performance?

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• psud@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have never had a problem with people taking a tape recorder to a concert, even if it’s against terms of service

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  • ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But you do understand that if nobody would buy a ticket, there wouldn’t be concerts?

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