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oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 1 year agoImagine putting cake batter in the oven and 5 minutes later saying it’s a cake
See also: abortion in the bible and the value the bible places on the unborn. Iirc there’s also a verse that says something about life beginning at the breath. So before you go on a crusade double check that your religion actually says what you think it does and that you’re not being manipulated/riled up by right wing media
Chickens@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart…
That the one you’re thinking of?
Belgdore@lemm.ee 1 year ago
If he knows all babies prior to birth and loses knowledge of them later for this sinful nature, then on judgement day he won’t say depart from me I never knew you. Murdering babies then is morally best thing you can do.
Taking verses out of context is fun isn’t it? Maybe speaking to a prophet is different than speaking to everyone? Maybe you should stop taking things out of context?
BoiledRhombus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You’re doing the exact same thing Satan does in the Bible, this is nothing new. Jesus says He never knew people in that passage, because they used His name for their own benefit and not for His glory. People like prosperity gospel leaders who have their own congregation-paid private jet for no reason. God made it very simple for us to be saved. All people need to do is accept the free gift of salvation from Jesus, whom died a horrific, barbaric death despite doing no wrong so that we may be saved. God gives us free will to choose what we will do. If we do not wish to be with God, He honors that.
I’ve laid out 3 other verses in a separate reply that says the same thing that is said in Jeremiah. Job mentions us as being formed by God in the womb and he was no prophet. I don’t know why you’re so angry, but what you’re stating is “out of context” is incorrect.
oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 1 year ago
en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Christianity_and_abortion#Bi… i think the perspective in the allowing abortion column is stronger. If everyone’s set apart, no one is, so interpretting that passage as referring specifically to jeremiah makes way more set apart. If it meant everyone, it would be easy to change the wording, or just add “and that goes for all humans” or something. Again, an all knowing god would know a verse like that would author confusion
BoiledRhombus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.” - Psalm 139:13
“Thus says the Lord who made you, who formed you from the womb and will help you: Fear not, O Jacob my servant, Jeshurun whom I have chosen.” Isaiah 44:2
“Did not he who made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?” Job 31:15
The Wikipedia article conveniently leaves these out. It’s very clear that God knows us before we ever existed.
oshitwaddup@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 1 year ago
You should add those to the wikipedia table.
A partially knitted sweater isn’t a sweater, those don’t imply to me that the bible is saying anything about the moral relevance of fetuses in those verses. If they do it has very concerning implications for miscarriages (he starts knitting them but then says “actually i don’t want that person to exist”). An all-knowing god would know exactly which fetuses would get aborted and not put as much into knitting them, anymore than someone knitting a sweater that they know would get destroyed after they knit a few lines wouldn’t get too excited about it either.
And for someone who claims to not author confusion, there’s a lot of confusion around exactly what it’s saying here about the moral relevance of fetuses, given we’ve both interpretted it to mean almost opposite things