Comment on Video of ceramic storage system prototype surfaces online — 10,000TB cartridges bombarded with laser rays could become mainstream by 2030, making slow hard drives and tapes obsolete

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• Brokkr@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is possible to make glass and ceramics that are resistant to shattering from fair hard impacts. I don’t know if that can be employed here, but there are other ways to deal with the problem.

  Additionally, if 100,000 TB is something that people can carry by hand, then it is also possible to back up those drives relatively easily (relative to that technology).

  Lastly, current silicon fabs have boxes of wafers that at the final stages can exceed $1M in the retail value. They have robots that handle those. If the 100,000 TB is worth something close to that, then a Han Wo to be carrying it.

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  • StereoTrespasser@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re not playing Lemmy correctly. The highest rated post must always be a half-hearted pessimistic lazy criticism of whatever new technology is being described.

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  • kamiheku@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    then a Han Wo to be carrying it.

    Who dat

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  • DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lastly, current silicon fabs have boxes of wafers that at the final stages can exceed $1M in the retail value. They have robots that handle those. If the 100,000 TB is worth something close to that, then a human will not be carrying it.

    Pharma has entered the chat…you’ll have warehouse people riding forklifts with pallets worth much more than $1M.

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    • Brokkr@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m sure pharmacy has some crazy value density, but it’s hards to put accurate values on their products because of insurance.

      The boxes of wafers I was talking about is roughly 1.5 ft cubed. The fabs will have hundreds of these boxes moving around by robots at any one time.

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      • DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not really, i work in the industry (in europe), and prices we use in the production facilities are actual selling value, not the ridicolous inflated prices you see on the invoice in the US.

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  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    possible to make glass and ceramics that are resistant to shattering from fair hard impacts.

    As far as I know, there is 1 storage technology that has survived wars. Paper.

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    • CptBread@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Say that to the library of Alexandria.

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    • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, but paper isn’t information dense and is highly susceptible to even the smallest amount of moisture in the air.

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Paper is notoriously easy to destroy in conflicts

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s another, better one: stone carvings.

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  • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or just put the cartridge in a shockproof box. One that can last as long as the medium. It can’t be that hard to make a really good box.

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• KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s… literally always a concern. Name a digital storage medium impervious to impact damage. You can’t.

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• otter@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Isn’t that a concern with other tech too? If storage is cheaper, it would enable for more redundant copies

  A lot of places just don’t have backups. I’m thinking of hospitals getting hit with ransomware attacks, some are fine and just pull from backups and others shell out lots of money.

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• Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Having backups at multiple sites is industry standard. Nobody is keeping 100,000TB of data in a single location.

  As for your second point, I don’t see the relevance. You can store the glass wherever you want, the other mechanisms aren’t relevant for keeping the stored data.

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• jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But ceramic plates can probably be put into a working enclosure to get the data from it again

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  • aeronmelon@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just like how if you put a shattered CD in an apparatus, you can still use a laser reader to recover any data on the undamaged sections.

    Though, because data is recorded in a circular pattern at high speeds, you won’t get much. Or what you get will have lots of corruption. I wonder what pattern of storage these plates use? If it’s similar to SSDs, then large files can be nested in a very small area of space - increasing the chances of recovery.

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• Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They have a video on their channel showing them bending and twisting the material.

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