Can you mention some of all of these alleged “Sharia controlled” towns and, eh, countries?
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JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months agoUntil you find out it let’s Muslim immigrants (80% of whom prefer sharia law over eu law) take over entire towns & countries.
thriveth@lemmy.world 7 months ago
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
That is not at all what I said. I said the mayority of Muslims in Europe prefer sharia law. You are CHANGING my words. That sick fundy behavior.
zoomshoes@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Can we get an example of a town that’s been “taken over” in this manner? Your words.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I mentioned a whole bunch, try going to non tourist areas of Marseille, Rotterdam, paris, Etc after 7pm.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Which country has Muslim immigrants taken over? Name it please.
fosforus@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Most of Middle East and North Africa from 7th century on. Most of the area of current Spain and Portugal was under Islam rule for 5 centuries.
Currently? Sweden’s Malmö is probably the closest example of a slowly happening “takeover”.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Just like the Jews were taking over Germany, right?
fosforus@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Yes, it’s possible that it’s a similar hyperbole and nothing to worry about ultimately.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Mans still salty the Ottomans conquered Al Andalus 500 years later
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Which port town? Rotterdam, Marseille, Barcelona, etc
Because countries arnt yet at that level.
30-40% of babies born are non European decent.
I’m not even saying that’s a bad thing. But ANYONE THAT PREFERS SHARIA LAW OVER EUROPEAN (OR RESPECTIVE COUNTRY’S) LAW, should NOT be in Europe.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 months ago
By 2050, Muslims could account for roughly 11.2% of the total European population.
worldatlas.com/…/15-european-countries-with-most-…
You are needlessly fearmongering.
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 7 months ago
I don’t want to get in the middle of a flame war, but as someone who’s seen the culture of his small town shift over the last couple decades, I can’t help but have some sympathy for those who worry about this happening in their local (Admittedly, in my case, it’s watching a town where the suburban drops off to rural slowly be subsumed by city sprawl, so this might be a false equivalance).
But I think the real issue is that that’s not an evenly distributed 11%. People will naturally bunch up in groups along cultural lines. I could see a city developing a single Arab/Muslim neighborhood over the course of a decade being of no note, but it sounds like some are developing multiple over just a couple years.
I have no real data to back that notion up, but from what I hear from Europeans, that’s the general feel. I think that’s the real issue: things are changing and they feel like they’re changing fast, and that’s freaking people out. Telling people who feel that way they’re crazy only “others” them and I feel that’s really how the situation gets worse.
But also, the towns the guy above mentioned feel like bigger cities (I’m American and haven’t been to Europe, so I also might lack perspective), and so I do feel like they’re overstating the point.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Sorry, this is true if you include countries like Poland and Hungary.
IT ISN’T TRUE IF YOU LOOK AT PORT CITIES. and small towns can be overrun within a week
Ps MY BEST FRIENDS ARE (PROGRESSIVE) MUSLIMS. nothing against them! But adding even more immigrants that aren’t educated nor socially connected to ANY European thing isn’t good… They aren’t like the Mexicans…
thriveth@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Thinking that any political opinions are fundamentally “Non-European” is a fundamentally totalitarian and racist mindset. I reject your attempts at gatekeeping my politics based on your arbitrary and chauvinistic ideas of “European” values. But hey, there is nothing more inherently European than racism, so I guess you’re living up to your own ideals there.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I specifically mentioned EUROPEAN LAW vs SHARIA LAW and the fact that 80% of European Muslims prefer the latter.
THAT’S A FACTUAL STATEMENT FROM A LARGE PUBLIC INQ.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I did NOT say that. Read again. Idiot?
IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 7 months ago
[deleted]JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
We’re not idiotic Americans. Of the native population, only a small percentage wants church rule
arc@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Twitter is filled with idiots who’ll pronounce London/Paris/wherever is under Sharia law. Never seems to occur to them that this is very easy to fact check.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I definitely did not say that they were under sharia law. I made several factual statements. But ALL of you manage to Twist my words. Sick rethoric!
seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
You know, you can’t imply something indirectly and complain that we understood it
arc@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Nah you tried to imply something not born out by reality and got downvoted for it.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Read my original words. It says 80% of Muslims in Europe would prefer sharia vs euro law.
That’s the result of a large scale double blind inquiry. It’s not implying anything it’s just reality.
Ps i actually like Muslims. More as insane xtians… At least they don’t twist and change their books words every few years…
crackajack@reddthat.com 7 months ago
They’re not consciously letting Muslims take over towns just to willingly destroy their own country. It just so happens that decades of poor foreign policy by the West have destabilised the Middle East (that’s not to say Middle Eastern countries also don’t have their own agency) creating massive inflows of refugees. And the EU, which happens to be next door, had to take in refugees from Muslim-majority country. Or else what? Let them die or shelterless?
I can hear some already asking why won’t neighbouring Muslim countries take in their fellow Muslim refugees? They have the same culture and would cause few tension, right? These countries already did. Turkey alone took three million Syrian refugees. They have the majority of Muslim refugees, not Europe. But the Western media and their parochial, in-group bias over-report and overemphasise tensions with Muslims migrants. Turkey has the same problem the point that immigration has become a sticking point in the last Turkish presidential election. The left-leaning rival candidate reluctantly had to resort to anti-immigration rhetoric at the last days before th election to boost ratings. You won’t hear that in mainstream news in the West, won’t you?
Really, these news of EU wrecking itself by “allowing migrants thanks to open borders” is literally fake news. People sympathise with that racist and far-right rhetoric without viewing the full picture. But I guess people are still tribal with our un-evolved lizard-brain to think in heuristics and stereotypes. We just easily buy in to the angry rhetoric.
Also, I definitely agree that mass migration is causing tension, I’m denying that. However, climate change is worsening domestic situations in developing countries on top of poor foreign policies. The Arab Spring, Syrian civil war, and conflicts in Africa is exacerbated by climate change as drought worsens, which leads to more hungry mouths which then leads to tense social and political tensions as they blame their governments. Refugees then leave and risks travelling through deserts, mountains and sea to more stable places like Europe. What is the EU going to do? Let them drown? And then they get blamed for massacring civilians? Danmed if you do, damned if you don’t.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Correcto, I’m definitely not blaming anyone.
But I do know walking around my home town on a Friday evening is not possible anymore.
Whatever anyone says doesn’t change that.
IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I love how fascists always blame the victims for the problems that fascists caused.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Blame? Fascists? Cause? I don’t remember talking about any of that…
IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 7 months ago
[deleted]JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Funny. Maybe quote my text if you think you are correct…?
TooManyGames@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Yeah, that’s not happening. Nice far right conspiracy theory though.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
It got me banned from reddit, but I ain’t even half right nor even a bit extremist. I just walked around in Rotterdam, Almere, Marseille, Barcelona and such. Have you?
thriveth@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I have. I have even lived in and right next to the widely decried “no-go zones” of Sweden, and can testify that the whole thing is a pile of racist bullshit.
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Sweden hahahahaha try Marseille after 7pm!
SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Are these really the towns that are taken over by “sharia law”? Can you give examples of what you saw?
JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Don’t do that. I did NOT say those words. You ARE CHANGING WHAT I SAID. fu