Comment on By letting the capitalistic class write the laws we let them dictate the morality of the country.

• deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  These constructs are often based on something concrete at their core, as well.

  Money, or currency in general, is a social construct that was built on top of the basic idea of trade or exchange. Reciprocity is a very basic behavior found in all kinds of animals, especially us primates.

  Likewise, social constructs like “crime” tend to be tied to ethics, another social construct, but that too can be tied back to some basic ideas like harm, which, again, is something animals often form their social norms around.

  So, yes, “social constructs”, but that doesn’t in anyway mean society invents wholesale out of cloth.

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  • Daft_ish@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t know if you completely understand the criticism. Social constructs aren’t decided entirely by laws of physics meaning they a malleable. No one is arguing social constructs aren’t real but only that they can be changed if society would let them. Especially if we all collectively agree they are wrong and unjust.

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  • panda_paddle@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Holy shit that was a great explanation.

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• aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Money is made up but the suffering the lack of it causes is very, very real.

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  • deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The suffering isn’t because of a lack of money, though. It’s because of a lack of means to secure the things you need. You would not suffer from a lack of money in a world where everything was free.

    The social construct is the idea of currency: a physical (or digital) representation of value for the purpose of trading, but it has no inherent purpose or meaning if you remove it from the society that constructed it.

    But what that money represents is a resource. All beings on earth need resources. Whether it’s money to pay for medicine or berries to eat in the forest or water to drink in the desert, everyone has resources they need and must manage for survival. The social construct are the layers of abstraction added between you and how you secure the resource. With no social constructs, you gotta go hunt your dinner. With them, you can buy it.

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    • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They’re not saying it isn’t real, just that it being made up doesn’t matter.

      I’m on the same page as you but understand this reply because this thread is full of people who think social construct = made up, frivolous thing that isn’t important.

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      • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The important part, and I think what the OP seeks to illuminate, is that it matters, but it’s not some law of nature that simply must be. It’s social, and thus can be redefined.

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    • dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But what that money represents is a resource.

      Quite the opposite. It’s kind of a weird accident that money came to both represent wealth and currency, when money is actually meant to represent debt. It’s the mechanism of mediation for an untrusty society. An artiluge to create common ground with strangers who you don’t trust, replacing it with a concept, currency, that you know that someone you do trust will take. So create an anonymous common to bridge trade. Unfortunately most societies chose precious metals to trade with, and this conflated currency with wealth. So accumulating currency became a thing we haven’t been able to shake, but it’s not mandatory for currency to work.

      Now none of that was rational or intentional, it just sort of happened that way. But in reality, money (specially fiat money) is worthless, you can come up with any number and any unit to represent resources. Valuing stuff on a monetary number is a fool’s errand, what you’re actually quantifying is collective trust on the monetary system. And we have plenty of examples in history of currencies that collapse in value even though the amount of resources in the society remains stable and sometimes even plentiful. But when trust on the institutions that uphold the currency collapses, they are barely useful as kindle to start fires.

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    • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It being made up very much matters. It being made up means it can be changed. That’s what this post is saying. Not that crime doesn’t matter and the consequences aren’t real because social construct, but that crime and the punishments therein aren’t immutable laws, they are social laws, and thus can be changed.

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