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STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 11 months agoYes but which one leads to worse consequences despite taking the same value of currency?
BassDroid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not familiar with the laws of California but I think the spirit of the post is that the cops will be on your ass immediately and you will be put in jail if you walk with $100.
If your boss steals $100 from you it then becomes a matter for the courts before anyone in the company faces even the slightest threat of jail.
NoStressyJessie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
No no no! Let me continue to be obtuse, a felony against an LLC ( like, ohhhhh, I dunno this little mom and pop startup is a damning life ending thing that will forever alter the trajectory of the poor business owner’s life and livelihood. They could’ve had a bright future, free to do anything, go anywhere, hell even go to the stars all of that jeapordized by one measly little honest mistake of an accounting error ~~that was multiplied thousands of times across the workforce spanning years summing entire lifetimes of earnings ~~. Surely you can’t mean that they would be held to no recourse while the overly empowered and emboldened working class holds it’s jack boot stranglehold on poor honest golden parachute equipped hedge fund daddies who raised money from their will to do friends and family to buy a house outright for the optics of starting out of a garage with nothing…
God damned delusional liberals
BassDroid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
[deleted]SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
It’s not perfectly fine, but they’re weighing it against Wage Theft, which outweighs all other types of theft in the US based on sheer dollar-value of how much is stolen.
No, it’s not okay to just steal from the till, but the point is the business owner can call the cops on us if we do that, and if they steal from our paychecks we have to take them to small claims court and we better have the receipts to prove it, and usually (except maybe places like California) all the business has to do is… pay back what they owe you. Nothing for damages or lost opportunities due to having less money. Nope, just pay back what they already owed you to begin with. What a joke of a slap on the wrist.
Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Crime is ABSOLUTELY a social construct. Why was it legal several months ago to have an abortion across the US but now several states are criminalizing the same? Have abortions changed? No - politics did, I would argue spurred on by the desire for capitalists to keep a steady supply of low wage uneducated exploitable desperate workers.
Why is it suddenly criminal in the state of Georgia to give food and water to people lining up at polling stations? Because one class wants to make it uncomfortable and inconvenient for another class, and I would argue race, of people to vote.
For more, from Harper’s Magazine “Legalize It All” (How to Win the War on Drugs):
At the time, I was writing a book about the politics of drug prohibition. I started to ask Ehrlichman a series of earnest, wonky questions that he impatiently waved away. “You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
Same as it ever was - criminalizing social classes to disempower them is the name of the game. If you aren’t wise to this you haven’t been paying attention.
jimbo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Considering this is aboringdistopia are we saying that stealing cash from a register should be perfectly fine?
How did you manage to come to the dumbest possible interpretation of what was being said?
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not familiar with the laws of California but I think the spirit of the post is that the cops will be on your ass immediately and you will be put in jail if you walk with $100.
If your boss steals $100 from you it then becomes a matter for the courts before anyone in the company faces even the slightest threat of jail.
Because one of these things is stealing a possession, and one of these things is failing to pay a debt. And.we generally don’t jail people for failing to pay debts, at least not immediately. And that’s a good thing to, otherwise the poor would be getting jailed all the time.
FlickOfTheBean@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Does anyone really go to jail for wage theft though? Especially at the same severity that walking out with $100 till bucks would?
From my perspective, it seems like the boss gets a slap on the wrist the first time, while the worker gets fired and carted off to jail the first time.
I think that’s the point of this meme, but there are some nuances involved (aka why does the law treat these people differently? I think there may be a reason having to do with intent here, but that is discussion outside of the scope of what this meme is getting at.)
EatYouWell@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It might be a felony, but is it enforced?
If something is illegal but isn’t enforced, it’s not illegal.
xkforce@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is an argument for punishing wage theft not that crime is a made up concept.
BassDroid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
[deleted]aesthelete@lemmy.world 11 months ago
To call something a social construct doesn’t diminish the impact of that thing. Race is a social construct as well, and that too has very real impacts on people. Much of what humans interact with on a daily basis are social constructs. That doesn’t make those things meaningless or trivial.
geissi@feddit.de 11 months ago
To paraphrase my favorite author:
THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF [LAW], ONE MOLECULE OF [CRIME]…
FrederikNJS@lemm.ee 11 months ago
So let’s see… Here in Denmark:
If I steal the equivalent of $100 from a store, they will call the police, the police will apprehend me, take back the $100, and give me a fine. If the robbery seems to be professional, then it could also result in jail time up to 1 year and 6 months.
If my employer shorts my paycheck by the equivalent of $100, then I contact my union. The union contacts the company and tells the company to pay me within a week or two. If the company doesn’t pay me within the deadline, the union will declare the company bankrupt, and the bankruptcy proceedings start by liquidating the company and paying me my missing wages along with the guaranteed pay that relates to being fired, which depends on how long I have been employed. (1 month pay if I have been employed less than 6 months, 3 months pay if employed 6 months to 3 years, 4 months pay if employed for 3 to 6 years, 5 months pay if employed 6 to 9 years, and 6 months pay if employed more than 9 years.)
MNByChoice@midwest.social 11 months ago
Well fuck Denmark is civilized.
The USA version is different, and likely what is being complained about.
Aezora@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Even in this situation it’s uneven. If the company pays you the right amount within a couple weeks, nothing happens. It’s as if they never shorted you.
If you take the money from the company, you - at least - pay an additional fine. And/or go to prison. The company doesn’t have either consequence for attempting to steal from you.
FrederikNJS@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I see where you’re coming from, but if the company repeatedly holds back your salary, then the union can still start bankruptcy proceedings.
It is assumed that being late with paying wages might have been a mistake, and you don’t want to punish people or companies for a mistake.
You can’t really assume that people stealing money from a store is a mistake.
Copatus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You see your honour, I meant to grab a stick of gum next to the till but accidentally reached inside it and took $100
PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 11 months ago
based
darthfabulous42069@lemm.ee 11 months ago
What happens if an employer empties the business’s bank account and runs to avoid consequences? Does anyone compensate the employee in that case?
FrederikNJS@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’m not entirely sure… At the very least you would be able to immediately collect unemployment (~12.000 DKK if you don’t have kids, ~16.000 DKK if you have kids), and if you’re in an “a-kasse” you would be able to collect up to 90% of your old salary.
I’m pretty sure thought, that anyone who ran away with the bank account would pretty much have to leave the country, as otherwise they would be apprehended by police, personal belongings would be repossessed, and they would not be allowed to start a new business.
jimbo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So what you’re telling me is that the guy who made the decision to steal your wages faces no personal consequences for making that decision.
derpgon@programming.dev 11 months ago
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