Comment on Google witness accidentally blurts out that Apple gets 36% cut of Safari deal

Goronmon@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Selling their user data to Google? They’re putting Google as the default search engine, but users are free to change it. I don’t understand how that’s the same. People would probably set it to Google anyway these days, which is a shame because Kagi is the best search engine.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Apple does make a big deal about having sensible and secure defaults. This is the issue

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    • bus_go_fast@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      but are selling their user’s data to Google,

      Yeah, but are they doing this?

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      • TheOctonaut@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They are receiving billions so that their users use Google search - why is this a question?

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    • Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’d prefer something more secure but all of them just suck. I use DDG but more than half the time I end up needing to use !g to get the google results because DDG just isn’t that good.

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      • GigglyBobble@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I really wonder how people making such claims use it. I'm a dev and have to search daily and constantly and hardly ever don't I find something and when I don't, the Google bang doesn't help either.

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      • insomniac@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        DDG is also a for profit venture and used privacy more as a marketing ploy. They’ve been caught allowing Microsoft trackers.

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      • mynameisigglepiggle@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ive been using bing and bing copilot more and more for general stuff these last few months. Google needs to up their game. Other than that I use ddg as my first point of call

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  • SaltySalamander@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    because Kagi is the best search engine

    Fucking lol.

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    • HKayn@dormi.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      ?

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      • agame@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Just arbitrarily mentioning kagi is the best when there are tons of better options.

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  • Zomg@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I like Kagi, a lot, I’ve used it since I first heard about it MO this ago. But I worry how willing people will be to pay for search. I hope it continues to improve long term because it’s a great service. I don’t plan to use anything else.

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    • raptir@lemdro.id ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The pricing is just… challenging. I’m not going to pay $20 per month for my family to switch search engines.

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      • yacht_boy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m with you on that. I’m also pretty sure my wife would leave me if I tried to force her to use some weird non-standard search engine and browser instead of the thing that literally everyone else uses. She has no interest in any of this.

        But the fact that people like you and me, the kind of people who comment on threads like this on lemmy, are balking at the price of kagi really lays it all bare. $20/month is probably a tiny fraction of what google makes off selling our data. Their ad revenue is on the order of $25/person for every man, woman, and child in the world. But given that huge swaths of the world aren’t online, or are in a place where Google isn’t the default, or don’t make enough money to be worth marketing expensive products to, people like you and me and our families are probably worth many multiples of that annual revenue.

        Yet we balk at paying to opt out, even though we know we should. If we’re not willing to do it, who is? And what possible solution is there?

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  • andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They sell not data, but users, like a youtuber of mil. subscribers sells their userbase to Black Surfshark Online. Exclusive, if limited, access, exposure. If Apple happened to pick anything else as a default search engine, the majority wouldn’t even mind. And they could’ve done even worse if they put unique ID to every search queue like Edge, Yandex do.

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  • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Fuck Google and fuck Kagi.

    I use DuckDuck Go.

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    • Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      DDG is bing, and it’s not very great. The only way to not be a product is to pay for the product you use, otherwise the money has to come from somewhere.

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    • HKayn@dormi.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What did Kagi do to you?

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• KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They say they take privacy seriously, but are selling their user’s data to Google

  Only idiots think Apple is privacy friendly lol.

  I don’t link to news sites, but if you look up Apple Let Contractors Listen To Private Voice Recordings you’ll see that in 2019 they were sending voice clips to contractors.

  Apple has everyone fooled. They act like they are so privacy focused because they do processing locally on your device instead of in the cloud, which means nothing. Google also has been moving a vast majority of things to local processing on their Pixel devices for years now. Is Google now privacy focused?

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  • hiremenot_recruiter@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Only idiots think Apple is privacy friendly lol.

    Apple has everyone fooled.

    Apple are privacy-focused insofar as they will privately sell your data, sneakily.

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    • interceder270@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They had a big billboard in LA that said “Apple knows privacy” or some shit.

      I guarantee all of them ate that up without a second thought.

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  • k2helix@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Aren’t almost all (at least photo editing ones) new Pixel 8 & Pixel 8 Pro features in the cloud? What things do you mean when you say Google is moving to local processing?

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• bus_go_fast@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  but are selling their user’s data to Google,

  They are?

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  • Goronmon@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, correcting those types of typos on mobile is a pain in the ass, haha.

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• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  IOS is closed source and doesn’t allow side loading, it shouldn’t be considered in privacy discussions

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  • interceder270@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why not? Isn’t apple able to push whatever they want to user’s phones without their permission, like they were paid to do with the U2 album?

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    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean that it can’t be considered secure or privacy focused

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• OR3X@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My guy, there are plenty worse companies than Google to have your data. Let’s not get too hyperbolic.

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  • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It could always be worse. But that’s a bad excuse.

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    • OR3X@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, you’re right. That’s not a good excuse but being overly dramatic over it doesn’t really do anything productive either. At the end of the day it’s just a default option that can easily be changed. Not really a conspiracy by Google and Apple to steal your personal data.

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  • Goronmon@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The issue with Google is the scale of the data they can collect and their ability to use that data. Between Chrome, Search, Android, Waymo, Google Fi, etc they have a lot of ways to gather and use data on users.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And Google VPN.

      Google’s entire recent business direction seems to be “protect your data from everyone else so our copy of your data is worth more”.

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      • Goronmon@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Also add Google Maps and Gmail to the list.

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• itsnotits@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  their users’* data

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  • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nah, there’s only one Apple user, she just posts a lot online under pseudonyms and buys a continuous stream of products.

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• Companion1666@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  selling their user’s data to Google

  Oh no my gmail address already sold. My mailbox, my searches :'(

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