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phillaholic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

I think there are two different scenarios being conflated here. Having two jobs where you work 1, then work the other is overall fine. The issue is when you have two jobs that you work during the same time, in other words you work for both companies from 9-5 unbeknownst to those employers. If you’d like to do that you need to be an independent contractor or form your own company and do contracted work where the terms are entirely different between you and the company you do work for.

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Ultraviolet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If you’re getting the work done for both jobs, what’s the problem? If they want to double your workload, they can pay you double.

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- phillaholic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  If I have to wait for you to do something to do part of my job, and the reason I have to wait is you have another job, then that’s a problem. The vast majority of salaried jobs involve collaboration.
  
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  - RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Then hire more people? Never heard a complaint when a CEO manages multiple companies.
    
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  - Daft_ish@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    This argument is dumb. End of the day people are free to do as they like. So are employers. If both parties are satisfied with the work getting done then end of story.
    
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    phillaholic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Are you serious? I’m talking about an Employer that isn’t ok with it.
    
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reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Im not conflating anything. A job is an expectation of work to be done for a wage. I do the work, I get the wage. If the expectation is outlined at the beginning as the job monopolizing my time and me doing whatever work comes along when I’m on the clock, then that’s the job I took and I need to be available to them. But in a lot of jobs the expectation is just to meet certain targets of work to be completed. If I meet those targets, the employer owes me the agreed upon wage. To imply that doing anything less than as much as humanly possible is some sort of fraud normalizes exploitation and abuse.

If I pay the grocery store a dollar for an apple, am I entitled to as many apples as they can possibly deliver me? Obviously not.

If I pay a worker a dollar for a task, am I entitled to as many tasks as they can possibly deliver me? A lot of employers seem to think so.

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- phillaholic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  If the expectation is outlined at the beginning as the job monopolizing my time and me doing whatever work comes along when I’m on the clock, then that’s the job I took and I need to be available to them.
  
  Yes. THAT is the expectation we are talking about. If a company doesn’t expect that, then there is no issue.
  
  in a lot of jobs the expectation is just to meet certain targets of work to be completed. If I meet those targets, the employer owes me the agreed upon wage.
  
  Great. If that’s what your employment agreement says there isn’t a problem. Congrats on finding a white collar salaried job that involves no collaboration or expectations on availability.
  
  If I pay the grocery store a dollar for an apple, am I entitled to as many apples as they can possibly deliver me? Obviously not.
  
  That’s akin to hourly pay. You work an hour you get $10. You buy an Apple you pay $1. Salary is like an all you can eat buffet. You pay $20 you eat 1 Apple, 2 Apples, 3 Apples, etc. But also there are rules; Can’t take anything home, can’t share your food with a non-paying person, you’ll probably get cut off at some point if you eat too much or waste food etc.
  
  If I pay a worker a dollar for a task, am I entitled to as many tasks as they can possibly deliver me?
  
  I think this is the big misconception. You’re describing contract work, not salaried employment.
  
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