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siph@feddit.de 11 months agoThere is no reason to “pick a side”. Situations like this aren’t usually black and white.
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siph@feddit.de 11 months agoThere is no reason to “pick a side”. Situations like this aren’t usually black and white.
Snorf@reddthat.com 11 months ago
But what does an end to all of this actually look like? I still remember when Rabin and Arrafat were awarded Nobel peace prizes because they thought Bill Clinton solved peace in the Middle East.
Can there be peace? Or just this eternal back and forth bullshit?
Magnetar@feddit.de 11 months ago
The whole thing is a horrible mix of religious, historical, political and economical interlocking conflicts. Can there be peace? I have no idea.
regnskog@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh but we can definitely sketch something, for sure.
redballooon@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Your second bullet point implies that Israel won’t exist at a point of “peace”.
Snorf@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Is it really about the holy lands? Or mostly about land and resources?
rentar42@kbin.social 11 months ago
What it's "really" about is something that future historians can try to figure out, but in situ it's almost impossible to tell.
We can list all kinds of factors that came together when the conflict started or which factors are around while the conflict keeps going for a long time. What it's "about"? That kind of answer only really exists in games like Civilization where the answer is "because a player wanted X" or "the PC faction AI decided that the value of war exceeded the cost" ... the real world doesn't have as neat an answer.
Beware those who are sure about the "real reason": they are either ignorant of the complexities of societies and wars or they have an agenda.
And even those future historians won't be able to pinpoint a single reason for all of this (or most other wars), because it's almost always multiple factors acting together.
Imagine for a second a war that looks like it's "clearly about the aggressor getting land/resources": that might be the main reason, but maybe historical and religious factors made the war easier to "get going" for those who don't actually care about that (or the other way around: someone powerful want's to wage a religious war, but it's easier to convince the military to fight for the resources ...).
Ordoabchao@kbin.social 11 months ago
From where I sit, it's literally mostly about dirt, rocks and oil.
This is just a continuation of the crusdades from the medieval period. Let's also not forget just how strategically important Israels location is to the Western countries as it's their springboard into the middle east.
There are a lot of different factors and nuance and play, but essentially it's over religion and "holy lands".
livus@kbin.social 11 months ago
@Snorf we would be a lot closer to peace if we could get rid of the arms dealers.
redballooon@lemm.ee 11 months ago
There can be peace only if everyone accepts that everyone else wants to live their life, too. That’s nowhere to be seen, in the greater region of the Middle East.