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Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Most wouldnt, but a significant percentage would. I think enough that you cant discount those people from any discussion on UBI.

In Australia we have social security and I know people who are 3rd generation jobless and they dont usually supplement their social security with a casual job, its usually drug dealing or other crime.

Im all for a realistic discussion on UBI but you have to examine how its going to impact all strata of society. Including the ones who will use the lack of any meaningful motivation to do better or be better people.

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spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Sigh. Read up on the programs already studied.

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- Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  “Do your research”
  
  I’m not going to waste my time jumping on google and citing stufies that have showed that it isnt some magical cure all for the worlds Ills because you arent going to read them, or take my opinion onboard because its easier to claim that my sources are biased, I’m wrong and you’re still right.
  
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  - Marketsupreme@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Wait. So you’re going to develop an opinion entirely on feelings, while the guy you’re replying to developed an opinion based onr research? That is WILD
    
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intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I promise you that if it comes down to having to sacrifice some work getting done as a result of there being UBI, the market is not going to trim “food production” from the set of projects getting done. It’ll be more like “pumpkin spice ASMR videos” that get the axe.

Like, you agree the market is a medium that transmits needs between people allowing them to negotiate effort ratios for different projects, no?

So given a market and a bunch of people who need to eat, how does that result in food not getting produced? It doesn’t make sense. Hunger is a motivating force. Hunger is an incentive.

Receiving UBI doesn’t remove the incentive to eat. And if there’s a food shortage then there’s profit to be made off producing food. The market still operates with UBI involved.

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irmoz@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This video goes over multiple studies and meta analyses that show that, in every single case where it’s been tried, social spending, including UBI, always pays for itself in the long run, and UBI specifically never leads to people just not working. It leads to people finding jobs more their style. And y’know something? The “undesirable” jobs still get done, because there are genuinely people that want to do them.

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