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spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

You clearly haven’t. People don’t just sit at home and collect UBI. People are clearly addicted to consumerism, and that requires having a job. People also enjoy working.

You don’t have a critical mind and you aren’t discussing this in good faith because you clearly think if UBI was enacted that people would all become lazy and sit and home and do nothing. That you think this way shows everyone that you HAVENT done any research or reading on UBI.

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Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Have you met people? Get out of your bubble. Fucking hell, thats the daftest thing Ive ever heard, and I got an A in gender studies. (It was an elective, and I wanted to challenge my view that gender studies was bullshit, sue me)

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- spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There you go showing the class that you DIDNT do your homework.
  
  There has been UBI implemented for studies in multiple countries around the world and overwhelmingly they show that people still choose to work.
  
  Fuck off back your conservative bubble.
  
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  - Radio_717@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    But he got an A in gender studies…… can’t be on a conservative bubble…… ya know…. cause he made friends there. /s (just in case)
    
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    Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No, Im conservative. Ubi is just dumber than gender studies.
    
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- Garbanzo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah. Most that I’ve met work hard to improve their lot, even the few I know who were born rich enough that they don’t have to. Just because you’d be a lazy sack of shit if you could get away with it doesn’t mean everyone else would.
  
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  - intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I mean, the fact we have the modern world at all is evidence motivation doesn’t stop just because basic needs are met.
    
    If that were all the human drive had in it, that is where we would be.
    
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Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Most wouldnt, but a significant percentage would. I think enough that you cant discount those people from any discussion on UBI.

In Australia we have social security and I know people who are 3rd generation jobless and they dont usually supplement their social security with a casual job, its usually drug dealing or other crime.

Im all for a realistic discussion on UBI but you have to examine how its going to impact all strata of society. Including the ones who will use the lack of any meaningful motivation to do better or be better people.

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- spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Sigh. Read up on the programs already studied.
  
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  - Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    “Do your research”
    
    I’m not going to waste my time jumping on google and citing stufies that have showed that it isnt some magical cure all for the worlds Ills because you arent going to read them, or take my opinion onboard because its easier to claim that my sources are biased, I’m wrong and you’re still right.
    
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    Marketsupreme@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Wait. So you’re going to develop an opinion entirely on feelings, while the guy you’re replying to developed an opinion based onr research? That is WILD
    
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- intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I promise you that if it comes down to having to sacrifice some work getting done as a result of there being UBI, the market is not going to trim “food production” from the set of projects getting done. It’ll be more like “pumpkin spice ASMR videos” that get the axe.
  
  Like, you agree the market is a medium that transmits needs between people allowing them to negotiate effort ratios for different projects, no?
  
  So given a market and a bunch of people who need to eat, how does that result in food not getting produced? It doesn’t make sense. Hunger is a motivating force. Hunger is an incentive.
  
  Receiving UBI doesn’t remove the incentive to eat. And if there’s a food shortage then there’s profit to be made off producing food. The market still operates with UBI involved.
  
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- irmoz@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This video goes over multiple studies and meta analyses that show that, in every single case where it’s been tried, social spending, including UBI, always pays for itself in the long run, and UBI specifically never leads to people just not working. It leads to people finding jobs more their style. And y’know something? The “undesirable” jobs still get done, because there are genuinely people that want to do them.
  
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