I met someone who had such a thought about hatespeech and how you should be fined until I pointed out he and his friends call eachother retarded removeds on discord all the time and asked how much he should have to pay in fines. He stopped supporting the idea of fines
Comment on Spotify Removes Offensive Imagery But Keeps Transphobic Song Despite Outcry
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yes, censor all the things. It’ll certainly never be used against you.
Thranduil@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Mango@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Did you just censor yourself or am I about to change instances?
Thranduil@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I did not censor myself it was some retard who didnt like my words
Mango@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Damn, gross.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Allowing fascism to spread is allowing censorship. Choosing not to censor fascism is choosing to allow intolerance to become mainstream.
You call for a utopia of free speech where even Nazis can live happily alongside the minorities whose deaths they call for. Such a utopia does not exist. It’s impossible. The fascists will go around to all other members of this “utopia” and by force coercion and indoctrination convince them to come together to murder the minorities. Then having done so they will censor all thought that does not align with their hatred and their conspiracies.
Tolerating fascism is the same thing as propagating it.
2ncs@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Holy cow man, chill, this discussion is about censoring a song about 2 genders, not a fascist manifesto.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
This song does not exist in isolation. It’s creator, the man not the 11 year old singing, spreads outspoken hatred about LGBT minorities. That in and of itself is absolutely a part of the present day neofascist movement.
ComradeBunnie@aussie.zone 11 months ago
The creator is an awful person and likely to be a future family annihilator. He is truly terrifying.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Tolerating fascism is the same thing as propagating it.
This is literally and factually false.
As bad as propagating it? Go for it. But you should be aware that making statements like you did makes it really easy for people to dismiss you offhand.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
It is functionally the same. Allowing fascist thought to exist allows it to spread. Fascism doesn’t require specific endorsement to spread. Saying “it is alright if someone says something fascist, there’s nothing we should do about that” actually does more to spread it in many situations than explicitly endorsing it yourself.
Fascism is esoteric at its fringes. It is religious in its narrative. It spreads in societies that tolerate it. How you prevent fascism is by correctly punishing fascists. Fascists cannot be given the legitimacy of a debate, they can’t be allowed to speak in the first place. If fascists are in your government, if they’re in your media, if they speak freely in public, then you’ve already lost.
Si_sierra@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
To use a trolley problem metaphor, what they are saying is not pulling the lever is the same as allowing five people to die. If fascism is progressing and you do not stop it, you are allowing it to progress. Whether you consider that propagation comes down to your ethical framework, but from a consequentialist view it is accurate
Chozo@kbin.social 11 months ago
Some things should be censored, and I don't think that's too hot of a take, either. Any material that encourages intolerance of others should not be accepted in any civil culture.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Unfettered hate speech leads to hate crimes.
Steve@communick.news 11 months ago
Prohibition doesn’t make things go away. It only makes them more sneaky.
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Good, let them be sneaky out of the public eye. Let the proper authorities who monitor those channels do their jobs. No need for children or anyone else to listen to garbage.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fun fact: the German military sent someone to monitor the national socialist party to determine if they were a threat to the Republic. His name was Adolf Hitler.
SpezBroughtMeHere@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s the end of the thought process. It doesn’t need to be removed, it just needs to be removed from their line of sight. As long as they don’t know about it, it doesn’t exist. Problem solved.
isles@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t disagree necessarily, but people can be intolerant of hate speech without the force of government.