Comment on Youtube's Anti-adblock is illegal in the EU

Darkhoof@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  In the second quarter of 2023, Google’s revenue amounted to over 74.3 billion U.S. dollars, up from the 69.1 billion U.S. dollars registered in the same quarter a year prior.

  But man if we don’t pay for youtube premium how will they survive?

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    that’s google not youtube though, is it? i think youtube is running at a loss still + in a normal country that shit should have been blasted apart already way too many shit is under google.

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    • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think they have pretty recently finally become profitable thanks to the increased amount of ads. Although you could always make the argument before that the data YouTube provides to Google that allowed their ad and data empire to thrive is invaluable whether YouTube directly profits or not.

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      • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        why would it be invaluable? I am guessing it’s valuable amd is valued at a very close estimate at least.

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    • yoz@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why are people down voting you? Damn there’s an infestation of corp simps here

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    • mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      the richest country in the world is a normal country regardless of your xenophobia

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  • 7Sea_Sailor@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The amount of money they made is entirely meaningless without knowing their spending.

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  • Same@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Revenue isn’t profit?

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• Supervisor194@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ll say it again: Google pays 5-year-old “influencers” millions of dollars. They have always harvested your data to provide these free services - selling ads was just icing. They still harvest your data and sell ads and they still make the same money they’ve always made - only now they are insisting that everyone watch ads or pay for it as well. And of course, eventually YouTube will insist that you watch ads and pay for it. This is the equivalent of “network decay” for streaming services. This is unreasonable and while there are exceptions to the rule, most people have the same reaction to what Google is doing here: surprise, and dismay, if not outright anger and disgust.

  Yet every single thread about it on the Internet is utterly overflowing with people lecturing us about how we shouldn’t expect something for nothing, as if we aren’t fully aware that this is the most transparent of straw men. These people insist that we are the problem for daring to block ads - and further - that we should be thrilled to pay Google for this content, as they are. And they are! They just can’t get enough of paying Google for YouTube! It’s morally upright, it’s the best experience available and money flows so freely for everyone these days, we should all be so lucky to be able to enjoy paying Google the way they do. And of course it’s all so organic, these comments.

  Suggest that Google pays people to engage this narrative, however, and you will be derided and downvoted into oblivion as if you were a tin-foil-hat wearing maniac. This comment itself is virtually guaranteed to be responded to with a patronizing sarcastic and 100% organic comment about how lol bruh everyone who disagrees with you must be a shill.

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  • olmec@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ok, I’ll bite. Let’s assume Youtube follows your advice, and stops showing ads on YouTube. Data collection is the only source of revenue. How does YouTube make money on that data? Be specific please. Who is buying the data, and what is the buyer going to do the data besides show you a targeted ad?

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  • Stumblinbear@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    selling ads was just icing

    You’re talking about these as if they’re separate things. Literally no company in existence harvests your data for any reason other than to serve better ads or to drive business decisions internally. Nobody gives a shit about your data otherwise. Ads are literally the only reason.

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  • PurplePropagule@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Suggest that Google pays people to engage this narrative, however, and you will be derided and downvoted into oblivion as if you were a tin-foil-hat wearing maniac. This comment itself is virtually guaranteed to be responded to with a patronizing sarcastic and 100% organic comment about how lol bruh everyone who disagrees with you must be a shill.

    Oh hey you put this part in before being downvoted this time lmao. If you think it’s worth googles time to be astroturfing on fucking lemmy, you have a couple screws loose lmfao.

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    • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While I agree, you shouldn’t underestimate just how fucking cheap astroturfing services are, and how much easier it is to generate astroturfing posts using the plethora of LLMs out in the wild.

      I still think it’s silly to think they’re doing that here, but it should be considered.

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  • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    did you just tey to pre-emptively suggest that anyone who disagrees with you is a google paid shill?

    Because if so I would like to know where I can apply for my payment from Google.

    I think any reasonable person knows by now that if you don’t “pay for a product you sre the product”, everyone knows youtube collects data and sells it and your eyes to advertisers that’s their business model, guess what those servers youtube runs on? aren’t free, as you yourself said, content creators aren’t free, the engineers working on YouTube aren’t free, so your suggestion is that despite this, youtube should still be free and ad/data collection free.

    well do tell me, how long do you think youtube will last with your business model?

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• ubermeisters@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  OMG but the people I base my entire personality on use that platform, ergo, everyone needs to vicariously support me thought them, and any maneuver to the contrary is an attack on the very core of my essence!

  -ITT

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• LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Everyone I don’t agree with == bootlicker 🙄

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  • yoz@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • Stumblinbear@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Then stop making stupid arguments, it only serves to make you look stupid

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      • yoz@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • rchive@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Are you arguing people should only try to be correct when it benefits a poor person? When being correct benefits a rich person we should just lie about the truth?

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• WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I honestly don’t really care if people adblock or not but I think people need to acknowledge that adblock is essentially piracy. That doesn’t make it inherently bad or good but it has the same impacts as piracy at the end of the day. It’s a useful tool to use when companies start to get unreasonable but especially in the case of YouTube it impacts the amount of money the people who make the content earn.

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  • lorez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But piracy has no impact at all. Pirates never wanted to buy your stuff.

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    • PurplePropagule@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Honestly, there is plenty of stuff I’d pay for but I pirate if it’s difficult to access.

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    • kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      that only applies to p2p torrents where there aren’t infrastructure costs, youtube has infrastructure costs.

      grabbing a torrent from the net and downloading it doesn’t cost anyone anything, it’s all volunteers providing their bandwidth for it.

      youtube’s bandwidth isn’t free.

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      • lorez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Another thing: footage provided em by content creators trains their LLM and it’s poorly paid, everybody seems to have a Patreon these days, every creator that wouldn’t be there if there was no money to be made (via said method and those live donations). So the apparent loss of money is more than compensated by the data usefulness. Then ads came. And they were few and it was fine. Then ads became insufferable. My presence there already guarantees creators output content that Google exploits for their AI. What else do I have to pay?

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      • lorez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Let’s say I provide them with useful data with what I watch then. They know my age cos I log in and all my other info from Google services. That’s prolly why unblocked ads on the phone or tablet are always on point.

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    • Same@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t know, I probably would have paid for at least half the things I pirate if I had to (especially books).

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  • gian@lemmy.grys.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I honestly don’t really care if people adblock or not but I think people need to acknowledge that adblock is essentially piracy.

    The same way it is piracy to go to the bathroom during the commercials…

    Look, the problem at hand is not if people use adblocker or not, the problem here is how Google check if you are using adblocker or not, which seems to be illegal.

    Well, the full “check for adblocker” things seems to be illegal in EU, whatever way it is used, given a sentence from 2016

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  • dan1101@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t think it’s piracy exactly but I fully realize there would not be a huge video site like YouTube without ads or limiting it to paid subscribers.

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• UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  We must trust our corporate overlords who will use AI to guide us in their right direction.

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