And they will definitely not charge you more for it when they are a monopoly, no siree
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LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago🙄
I’ve spent $75 for 3 years of gamepass. It has been hands down without argument the best value in gaming I’ve ever seen in a service. You are delusional.
Shalakushka@kbin.social 11 months ago
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Any day now valve, Sony, Nintendo, ea, Ubisoft will all fall!
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Who says they’ll have to?
sirico@feddit.uk 11 months ago
I can still boot up games I’ve owned since the age of 5 or games on steam that lost their licensing like Prey (2006) or some Lego games, come back to me next month when you can’t play Persona 5 Royal as it’s getting pulled due to licensing. Time and time again, subscription models are great value until a point where the market share is big enough and the user base is invested enough that the price gets hiked. Just because it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t make me delusional, and frankly that was a pretty rude comment.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I, and the vast majority of the having community will play a game once and never pick it up again. Most don’t even finish.
For the one of two games I might actually want to play again, I’m happy to toss an additional $10 at the 10 year discounted rate.
I’m still $55 ahead of you purchasing on release.
Same with gamefly. $15 a month and I’ve saved thousands and thousands of dollars renting for 2 weeks and sending it back.
ripcord@kbin.social 11 months ago
I'm very skeptical that you're describing the majority, let alone vast.
Aceticon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That “only worth playing once” thing only applies to story heavy, fixed map, pure single-player games, which are mainly a sub-set of AAA games, typically on consoles.
Further, even amongst those some are so good that they’re fun again to play after some time (though it usually takes a couple of years to forget enough of the details for it to be fun again). For example, Fallout 3.
Methinks you’re a very young gamer, who is mainly fad driven hence buys the same AAA games as his friends and doesn’t buy indie games (which is where you’ll find the most replayable games of all, as indies often have generated maps since they can’t afford to spend millions of dollars on people doing level design) so yeah, all you’ve ever seen is games that are only fun once or for a very limited time period.
That would also explain why you confuse your own behaviour with “the vast majority of the gaming community”.
I would be seriously surprised if you were an older gamer as they’re more likely to buy games for their fun factor - not fashionability amongst peers or last gen graphics - hence sooner or later end up playing some indie game or other with generated maps, plus are much more likely to have picked up again some game they played and finished years ago and still fondly remember, just to discover it’s actually fun again.
newDayRocks@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Let’s not gatekeep “real gamers”.
You should also read his comment again. He is not saying that a game is only worth playing once because the story or game is linear. Although no sources are cited, he is probably right that a fair percentage of people pick up a game and drop it soon after because it wasn’t what they thought it would be or any number of other reasons.
Even if you are an indie gamer, the sheer number of indie games that come out each year is overwhelming, and again a lot are not super polished so you can probably also see people picking it up, playing it, not being impressed and then dropping the game.
So why spend $10 a pop per game when you can pay for one month and enjoy many of them?
There is no need to be materialistic. Yes there are games you will want to go back to in a few years or take your time with, but there are many many games that you may never touch again. If you think this is a minority opinion, check out some Steam stats. I think they support OPs argument.
There are also reasons subscription based models can and do suck, there is a reason they are popular.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What a fun story.
My NES came with Mario 3, I raided before plains of power made EQ easy, and I spent hours chopping wood by hand in ultima because I refused to get a paperweight to hold down the hot key.
They are certainly games out there that have a longer shelf life. It’s not all of them nor should it be and it’s not how most people play games unless heavily multiplayer focused.
the_q@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Spoken like a true sucker. You’re exactly what these giant corporations want you to be.
Polar@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Ok. Enjoy buying each game separately. $75 will get you a singular game. Don’t play it all at once!
the_q@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Lol… You poor kid.
Polar@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
And you’re bad at math and financials if you think it’s better to buy a singular game for $75.
For what it’s worth, I buy every game I really like on Steam (I have over 1200 games on Steam), but I use GamePass for everything else.
I’ve saved so much money using GamePass. Sorry, but I’m not paying for Forza, Flight Simulator, Minecraft Legends, etc. All of those games I beat in less than a week, and they cost $100+ CAD. Literally saved money by not buying them, but got to play them all fully.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ratio’ed.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 11 months ago
game pass is a really good value if you ask me I don’t pay for it anymore but I have for a while
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’re right. It is really good value. For now. That’s how all of these subscription services start.
My netflix was once £6. Recently they’ve announced it’ll be going up to £18.
Back a long time ago, my SkyTV package cost very little each month. Now some packages cost hundreds.
Adobe and others have done the same thing with their subscription services.
I don’t know why people are in denial that MS will do the same thing everyone else has done when Microsoft themselves said Gamepass isn’t profitable in the FTC leaks.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What a hot take! People want to hate the service on ideological platforms. They don’t want to see them math.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Almost like they price it cheap until they conquer the market, then jack up prices
IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 11 months ago
MS probably doesn’t even make a profit with GamePass. They spend hundreds of millions to get Triple-A games on the service. GamePass is great for the consumer but in the end it will destroy the industry as we know it and give MS way too much power in the industry. People like to shit on Epic for their exclusivity deals, but MS is doing the same with GamePass. MS is trying to monopolize the customer base. And once they have achieved that they will not only raise their prices but lower the amount they will give to developers.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Phil Spencer confirmed it’s not making money in the FTC leaks. That’s why in MS’s financials they don’t disclose gamepass financials.
It actually staggers me how widespread the belief that MS won’t up prices is. I wonder if they thought the same about Netflix or cable TV subscriptions? Lol
And yeah, also in the FTC leaks MS stated they’d love to do a hostile takeover of Nintendo or Valve if they got the choice. I don’t know why people think Microsoft are on their side. They’re a 2.5 trillion dollar company with a history of anti-competitive behaviour lol
variants@possumpat.io 11 months ago
I dont think anyone doubts the prices will go up, but if it costs less than a AAA game every few months then people will pay it for the ability to play those games without a console or PC and to be able to play multiple games for the price of one
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And again if that happens I’ll happily evaluate the value. For now I’ll choose to save thousands and use that money in the future for theoretical price hikes.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You don’t think MS will up prices? Lol
Phil Spencer in the MS FTC leaks literally said that Gamepass isn’t making money
And save thousands? Thousands? You’d seriously be buying more than 33 AAA games each year? Sounds like you’re exaggerating by a pretty large amount lol
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh at least 30. I probably clear a game every 2-3 weeks. And even if they up prices
I’ll deal with prices as they come for now, I’m saving, yes thousands and playing more games than ever.
eltrain123@lemmy.world 11 months ago
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yes valve, ea, Ubisoft, Nintendo, sony, all on the verge of bankruptcy. I’m sure all of them will crack any day now.
ScreaminOctopus@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
This only really works if they start making games exclusive to gamespass
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t think that necessarily has to be true.
Even so, MS is already dabbling with buying publishers and wielding them as a weapon through enforcing exclusivity. See buying Bethesda and destroying development of the PS5 port for Starfield. I think it’s naive to think this will get better and not worse.