Comment on NY bill would require a criminal history background check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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• PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Or by legal gun owners, who are responsible for a massive percentage of gun violence, (for example, 80% of all mass shootings).

  You know, the same legal gun owners who let their guns get stolen or staunchly oppose closing gun show loopholes or making straw-purchasing more difficult.

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  • Fondots@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I agree with all of your points but have a small nitpick that I really wish people would stop calling it the gun show loophole

    The loophole is that private sales (depending on state laws) don’t require a background check (which, to be clear, I disagree with)

    But all of those guys with tables set up at the gun show are FFL dealers, buying from them is just like buying from any regular gun shop with all of the normal background checks and other requirements you’d expect in your state.

    Now any of the random folks wandering around the show, in theory, could sell you a gun without any background check, but that’s not unique to them being at a gun show, they could do the same from their garage, a Walmart parking lot, a random street corner, a TGI Fridays, etc.

    I’m also pretty sure that most, if not all gun shows specifically prohibit those private sales from happening at their events.

    Again, I’d like to see the loophole closed, but calling it a gun show loophole just leaves the door open for gun nuts to say “lol, there is no gun show loophole, see you don’t even know what you’re talking about” because there’s really nothing unique about gun shows as it pertains to the law.

    Instead i’d say we should refer to it as the private sale loophole or the Brady bill loophole.

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The loophole thing really turned into a talking point, didn’t it? Whenever someone uses that word, I automatically assume they’ve never been to a gun show.

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      • Fondots@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I tend to make the same assumption.

        I am by no means anti gun, I like guns, enjoy shooting, I don’t currently own any because I have other priorities for my money, but if I suddenly found myself with a lot more disposable income I’d probably own a couple. That said, I do support a lot of gun control measures that would make the average Republican voter call me a crazy gun grabbing communist.

        Mostly though, I hate seeing people pushing for laws and regulations when they clearly don’t understand what it is they’re trying to regulate. You see a lot of liberals get up in arms (and rightfully so) about shitty Internet laws crafted by geriatric politicians who can barely manage to check their own emails, but then go and make the same kind of mistakes with gun laws

        To name one particularly egregious example, McCarthy describing a barrel shroud as “a shoulder thing that goes up” had similar energy no Stevens describing the internet as “a series of tubes” except the tubes analogy could actually kind of work for some internet issues (though not the specific one he was complaining about) whereas I can’t think of any way to twist the shoulder thing comment to make it apply to a barrel shroud.

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    • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s all fair, but it remains the most widely accepted term for the issue, complete with its own Wikipedia page.

      leaves the door open for gun nuts to say “lol, there is no gun show loophole, see you don’t even know what you’re talking about”

      It doesn’t matter what it’s called, they’ll continue to oppose addressing it because their strategy is to only take, never give.

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      • Fondots@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It doesn’t matter what it’s called, they’ll continue to oppose addressing it

        That doesn’t mean we need to make it easy for them to oppose it. Don’t give them a stupid way to dismiss the conversation before it even gets off the ground, make them actually defend their position that private sales don’t

        IMO, getting stuck calling it the gun show loophole when there are better things to call it because that’s what everyone has always called it has the same kind of energy as conservative assholes who refuse to learn a person’s pronouns or old people who never bothered to scrub things like “colored” or “oriental” from their vocabulary. Language can, does, and should change with the times, and we need to keep up with it.

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  • Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    80% of mass shootings isn’t a “Massive percentage”, it’s quite small actually

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    • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I know you’re trying to say “the people killed by domestic terrorists in America are statistically insignificant” but awkwardly shoehorning it in like that just makes it sound like you don’t understand percentages.

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