Comment on The Windows 11 problem

• Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  His dad just need to put a password when asked. It’s a 6-years-old kid task updating on most Linux distro. One needs to be able to write, that’s it

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  • itsraining@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That would be true if:

    1. A GUI software center is used (or if the said dad is comfortable with an interactive console application)
    2. The said dad actually realizes the importance behind updates. From my experience, many people don’t.

    So, unless both of above are true, the dad will never (want to) update his system because “it works as is”, sticking to old versions of software, never receiving bugfixes and neglecting security.

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    • Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Most distro nowadays come with a gui to update. A pop up windows appears asking if you want to upgrade. You can press “yes” and the password of the sudoer or admin user is asked.

      Is it different for your distro?

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      • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        He still doesn’t care to.

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      • itsraining@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes, probably because I stick with Arch and Slackware plus a lightweight environment. The only time I saw such a GUI was when I tried out Elementary just for fun.

        What I consider a problem is that the user can simply dismiss or disregard the updates notification indefinitely. I know many non-tech-savvy people who do not understand the importance of updates, so they would be inclined to do exactly that. That is why unattended upgrades are probably a better option in such cases.

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    • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re a wise (wo)man. That is exactly the case. I’ve shown him how to do it in the GUI but he doesn’t care to because, like you said, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.

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      • itsraining@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thank you for answering. I can relate to manually updating my parents’ systems once in a while but at this point I’m seriously considering unattended upgrades (updating over SSH is also a good idea).

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  • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    His own password which makes it even simpler.

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• ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not the guy you asked, and I hope he responds because I’d like to hear his answer too, but a lot of that depends on the Linux distro you select. On rolling releases you get continuous updates automatically, not major upgrades like forced Windows Updates.

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  • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m OP, he runs Manjaro and I handle the updates whenever I see him, every month or so (I live out of state). I could do it over SSH but if something happens to break, it’s a pain to fix. I showed him how to do it in the GUI but he doesn’t care to do it.

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  • itsraining@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What do you mean, automatically? Arch is a rolling release and I have to explicity run pacman with the correct flags to update. At the same time Debian, which is not a rollimg release, has the unattended upgrades feature which installs updates automatically.

    But indeed, many things depend on the distro. For example, user-centric distros such as Elementary and others provide an easy to use GUI for updatomg the system.

    And yes, Windows Updates was (is still? not a Win user) a nightmare.

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    • ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What do you mean, automatically? Arch is a rolling release and I have to explicitly run pacman with the correct flags to update. At the same time Debian, which is not a rolling release, has the unattended upgrades feature which installs updates automatically.

      I was thinking Tumbleweed, Manjaro and the like which have GUI updaters, lol. @pete_the_cat@lemmy.world was pretty clear that his parents are the ultimate Linux beginners; he’s not going to give them Arch or Debian out of the box and bark command lines at them.

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      • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I actually have given him Arch before, but I handled everything. They’re running Manjaro.

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• pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I do it for them whenever I come over every month or two (I live out of state). I could also just SSH in and do it remotely if I really wanted to. I showed my dad how to do it with the GUI package manager, but he’s the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” type. Linux will run perfectly fine without updates for years.

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