As soon as you open anything to user generated content you run the risk that they’re going to do something dodgy with that access. More than a decade ago I remember they added the emblem creator to Call of Duty and people were making swastikas within minutes.
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Damage@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
It’s quite simple honestly, if you profit off something, you have the responsibility to make sure it’s legal. We all like platforms like YouTube where you can find anything you want, but the truth is that they’re currently unsustainable when forced to comply with the law.
With the advent of AI there’s hope for improved systems for detecting violations, but it doesn’t seem to be there yet.
NuPNuA@lemm.ee 11 months ago
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well here’s the question, is an AI detection software legal if it’s trained to identify this material? Strictly speaking, unless it is 100% free, selling the AI software would be profiting off the illegal material that you used to teach the AI.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It’s quite simple honestly, if you profit off something, you have the responsibility to make sure it’s legal.
Morally, yes, in practice that’s not how our economy generally works, this is a gigantic can of worms from cobalt mines to work safety in Asian textile factories and back and forth and into a gazillion places. Germany has recent legislation about this but AFAIK it’s the only such legislation in the world.
Damage@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Well, countries’ laws, with some exceptions, only have authority within their own borders.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The German version is kinda only a proof of concept and saying to the rest of the EU “we’re serious about this shit”.
The actual goal is [a EU-wide version which is in the pipeline], actually stricter (because Parliament wills it). It will apply to any company >250 employees with a net turnover of 40M in the EU (or world-wide for EU companies). And it’s very hard to ignore the EU when you want to make money at scale, see the Brussels effect.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Yes, but how far does due diligence go in a matter like this? If company A is buying things they get from company B and company B gives company A all the proper paperwork, is it company A’s responsibility to make sure company B didn’t do anything illegal to obtain what they had? Was there a reason for company A to suspect company B was illegally obtaining something that many other companies legally and legitimately acquire?
I don’t think so. I think in that case it would be completely company B that is at fault 100%.
I think it starts to become also company A’s fault when it can be shown that they were aware of company B possibly obtaining things illegally or that company A started getting complaints about what company B was illegally doing. This here is more like what pornhub has done. They seemed to have purposefully understaffed the review and complaints department in order to more or less ignore complaints. Up until that part I don’t think PH would be responsible.
Damage@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
If you re-sell for example stolen goods, your proceeds from those sale may be taken from you together with whatever stolen good you have on stock, and if you are found to be aware of the illegal origin of those goods, then you are an accomplice and are charged accordingly.
That’s why buyers of used items have the difficult task of ascertaining whether those items are stolen or not.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
In the case of pawn shops, the money made if the item is already gone does not get claimed back. If the item that was stolen is still there, then the item is returned to the owner and the store is out whatever it paid the thief.
However this is a perfect example of what I’ve said. In the above scenario, the pawn shop is under no legal trouble at all unless it was discovered that they were knowingly buying stolen goods. It is the thief who stole the items that will be in legal trouble.
Damage@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Maybe that’s how it works in your country, but not in mine
hellothere@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I agree that pornhub, et al, should be liable for abuse their platform distributes, but how on earth is AI meant to help in sex trafficking?
riskable@programming.dev 11 months ago
AI will help with sex trafficking by generating all the porn so humans won’t need to be involved at all.
In the future the equivalent lawsuit will be from the victims of hackers who used people’s PCs to generate porn.
hellothere@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
That’s like saying professional porn got rid of amateur / “real” sex porn. It didn’t.
There will always be a demand for real humans actually doing the thing depicted. While I’m sure there will be very popular AI production houses, similar to hentai, etc, if you think AI generated porn will completely remove the desire for humans from performing, then you do not understand why people watch porn.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ideally, sci-fi style, an effective AI can sift through all the reports and take down the videos that are clearly suspicious (as opposed to popular and well-known videos of porn stars that could be found elsewhere, for example, in dvd format.) It could message the reporter asking for more information, for example. Then it could message an actual human for the videos it is not confident to deem as abusive.
It could do this without never being tired never being hungry, never feeling shocked.
In practice, we’re not there yet. Close, but not there.
hellothere@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Close? Pull the other one.
And that’s long before we get the ethical quandary of sourcing training data, and implicit biases.
Jakdracula@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not a hot dog.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 months ago
True. I guess close was a bit of a stretch.
johnnyb@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
quite distopian, no thanks
elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I know what you mean.
My scenario was ideal, from the point of view of my 80s kid self looking forward to a promising future.
That future is now, and I hate it, because governments and big corporations ruined it for all of us.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
This is why I can’t jive with idealists. They put forth a proposal because “ideally…” and get people to thinking “yeah he’s right,” but he conveniently left off the fact that due to human nature it is basically an impossible pipedream and you’re more likely to find true gnosis than for that to become reality.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The funny thing is that I’m a realist. But if course I like to think about what the supposed scenario is.
StalksEveryone@futurology.today 11 months ago
that’s for the bad guys to figure out in prison after being arrested
hellothere@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
It’s not magic.