Comment on Apple considered ditching Google for DuckDuckGo in Safari’s private mode | But Apple exec argued DuckDuckGo wasn't as private as believed.

Gazumi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• doublejay1999@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I think you are.

  The bar is not a high one, if that is his best argument for avoiding Google.

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• Fuzzypyro@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  But he’s actually right. It does serve ads and it uses bing trackers despite them claiming they don’t track you.

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  • SeaJ@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They block Bing trackers.

    arstechnica.com/…/microsoft-trackers-run-afoul-of…

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  • Tetsuo@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Also DDG is US based and has to submit to all the privacy invading American agencies. And they could be under a gag order nobody would ever know.

    If privacy was a genuine concern for DDG they would have never based their business in the US.

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    • DTFpanda@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And they could be under a gag order nobody would ever know.

      This sounds a little tinfoil-hat-y but I don’t really know what I’m talking about.

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      • Tetsuo@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It was done in the past for larger US based businesses. I don’t see why it couldn’t be done with DDG.

        Also, if your businesses is under a gag order the most logical thing to do is to act like nothing is happening. Because for DDG privacy IS the product. They don’t have better results than Google they are trying to differentiate through privacy (or the appearance of privacy).

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    • Not_mikey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Where should it be based then? I feel like you can’t trust any state to not do this sort of thing to fight “terrorism” and “crime”

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      • Tetsuo@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I would say Switzerland.

        They have great privacy laws and a culture of secrecy from their banking history.

        They definitely would have an NSA equivalent but with far less reach I would think. They are a “neutral country” as I see it so they don’t need such a strong foreign spy agency…

        At the very least, the US would be one of worse choice possible for privacy that’s for sure.

        I mean the NSA intercepting CISCO routers to bug them ?

        That’s a bold move that most countries couldn’t do…

        infoworld.com/…/snowden--the-nsa-planted-backdoor…

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  • Gazumi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Relative vs absolute concern here. Google is absolutely terrible, just in the past 24 hours we’ve learned more of their insidious methods. DDG is relatively saintly, compared to most other public search engines

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    • Fuzzypyro@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Don’t get me wrong. I am not advocating for google here. They are basically evil. The truth is that DDG does collect data and serve ads. By doing so that means they are not private like they advertise. Just do a search. Your first results will be marked as ad spots. The only way to get around this is to use a search engine aggregator such as searx or something self hosted then have lots of people use that to obscure the collection and profile generation. Point is DDG is not a golden child here. It’s a company just like any other in data mining markets.

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  • Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Can you recommend a search engine that doesn’t do that?

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    • B0rax@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well there is always the possibility to host it yourself (like on a raspberry pi), like SearxNG.

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      • Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeeeah, no one except the most paranoid people will do that.

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