Comment on Can we defederate from rdq2.net?

• flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you concentrate them all into one place they reinforce their own views and don’t get told to stfu by others on the internet, the problem is this way they don’t get silenced, just hidden

  Reeducation programs sound very dystopian to me

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Reeducation programs sound very dystopian to me

    Okay so what is your alternative? Throw them into a pit and bury them? Let them continue to spread their virulent bigotry?

    I think reeducation programs sounds pretty humane to me.

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    • BolsheWitch@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      got his ass lol

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    • BurgerPunk@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You are doing the exact same retreat to an echo chamber that you decry, but the echo chamber is in your own head and the walls are these thought terminating cliches you keep regurgitating.

      fidel-salute order-of-lenin

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    • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      explain yourself or I am going to ban you from Hexbear and inform the lemm.ee mods that you need to be banned for Nazi/pedo apologia.

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      • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        rat-salute love and respect to my comrade embracing TomboyShulk thought

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      • IceWallowCum@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        based-department

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      • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If you read my responses to more civil users you’ll get any answers you want

        I suspect you don’t want answers you just want a witch hunt though

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    • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think the solution is force them to integrate with society and not give them the opportunity to have an echo chamber which may well mean in this case defederating as you can’t do anything about them

      Also yeah fuck the us prison system I never once claimed the US government were not also fucked.

      Can’t actually find any other questions in your wall of text there to answer the rest is just personally attacking me

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      • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        lmao you call this a wall of text? Your comment is almost as long…

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      • silent_water@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        fuck you, being forced to deal with people who would kill me given half the chance is not something I will ever do. I will oppose them by any means necessary, regardless of what the broader society thinks of such.

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So are you going to actually reply to my question?

    What are these controversial topics you are afraid of not being allowed to discuss?

    Get to the fucking point.

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  • BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So what, it’s better to have Nazis and pedos out in the open? Do you think you’ll give them a West Wing speech and they’ll magically realize the error of their ways? Nazis aren’t looking for people to challenge their views.

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    • autismdragon@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      CW: CSA

      spoiler

      Its honestly even more unfathomable to imagine talking people out of it in the case of what instance is being discussed for defederation here: an instance with a comm for pedophiles who are pro-contact and think children can consent. You can’t fucking debate a pro-contact pedophile out of being pro-contact. I’m a strong rehabilitationist so I wouldn’t want to execute them and would consider chemical castration a last resort (also, whats the science on that? does that even work?) so I would go with isolation from society where they can’t hurt kids and deep, deep fucking therapy, and possibly restorative justice if they have actually victimized anyone. But individuals online are not going to convince a fucking pro-contact pedophile that sex with kids is wrong. And you definitely aren’t going to be able to use debate to get them to stop being attracted to kids in the first place. Like, fuck, if the comm was for anti-contact pedophiles who strictly gather for the purpose of supporting each other in remaining strong in their convictions, then I wouldn’t want to nuke the community from existence (as long as thats ALL its for, and they arent like sharing fantasies with each other and other shit). Still wouldn’t want to be federated with them though. Don’t want to see that shit.

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      • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        also, whats the science on that? does that even work?

        I’ve looked this up before (admittedly it was kind of cursory) and from what I could tell the conclusion was that it doesn’t seem to, that its apparent success cases seem to be from other factors (rehabilitation, gaming the diagnostic system, etc.) rather than the procedure itself having the desired effect. I don’t really know what is true, but just wanted to mention it since you asked.

        Anyway, I think you’re correct in all of your assessments there. I’d even say federating with an anti-contact, anti-CSAM, anti-fantasy (etc.) instance would be worth considering once instances can be blocked, simply because they are trying to help people not be predators, but I can see why other people would be uncomfortable with such a thing. The instance in question, however, is not and cannot be any of those things and should be illegal to run.

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Explain yourself mfer.

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  • silent_water@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    getting banned is silencing them, fool. it prevents them from recruiting more people. they can talk to themselves day in and day out but without fresh meat they can’t grow. the lesson of the last decade is that deplatforming 100% works. your free speech bullshit is exactly how nazis cover for themselves. liberals clutching pearls about muh freeze-peach just provides them a defense.

    free speech for who, for what purpose, and at what cost? do you ever stop and think about the people harmed by the presence of the people you’re JAQing off for?

    everyone has a line past which they won’t tolerate “free speech” – if they were advocating for the murder of the people you love 0% chance you’d be pulling this shit. the problem is you feel safe and comfortable in the knowledge that they don’t threaten you. you’re comfortable with the bigotry, shielded by the bottomless chasm of your ignorance. wake up call: if they seize power, they will hurt you and everyone you love, just as much as the rest of us. you’re not fucking safe.

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    • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Very well said. These motherfuckers will be lined up right along side us in the death camps.

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  • ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They don’t just get hidden, they get suppressed and repressed. Their views are less widespread and influential. They are more often ignored by the workings of power and economy. Shove the nazis into a hole and seal it up, good riddance.

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    • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is a good point, less people that know about the echo chamber the less they recruit which I guess keeps them isolated but they will always find ways to attract more of their own

      I appreciate you being one of few people who doesn’t immediately jump to hurling insults

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