Comment on Can we defederate from rdq2.net?

• flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m not lol just wanted to have a conversation about the topic because the “free speech except these people” viewpoint requires some objective point of reference for what’s acceptable.

  It’s fairly obvious to 99% of people when it’s things like Nazis and pedos but it’s not always as clearcut with more controversial topics

  Lemmy instances having their own rules and defederating from those they don’t like seems like the best solution provided there are enough of them that users can jump ship if they don’t like the way they’re run

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Okay o’ wise liberal of the lake. What are these “controversial topics”?

    Please enlighten us and get to the fucking point.

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    • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Furries, lot of people don’t like them but also don’t think they should be globally silenced unless they are actual zoophiles

      People using words other people don’t like that aren’t necessarily used in a hateful way, some people don’t want to see that some don’t care.

      Was on a gmod server before that had a total free speech rule where people would say horrendous shit to be edgy but one day they banned one slur for one group of people specifically which felt kinda weird

      Hexbears. A lot of people call for you guys to get defederated, but have seen a few hexbears be genuinely nice and helpful. I’m sure you can see my point with that one

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  • BurgerPunk@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    it’s not always as clearcut with more controversial topics

    Such as?

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    • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Furries, lot of people don’t like them but also don’t think they should be globally silenced unless they are actual zoophiles

      People using words other people don’t like that aren’t necessarily used in a hateful way, some people don’t want to see that some don’t care.

      Was on a gmod server before that had a total free speech rule where people would say horrendous shit to be edgy but one day they banned one slur for one group of people specifically which felt kinda weird

      Hexbears. A lot of people call for you guys to get defederated, but have seen a few hexbears be genuinely nice and helpful. I’m sure you can see my point with that one

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      • BurgerPunk@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        People using words other people don’t like that aren’t necessarily used in a hateful way, some people don’t want to see that some don’t care.

        So you think people should be able to use slurs. Big suprise there

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  • Nakoichi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pedophilia and Nazi shit are not acceptable. How fucking hard is that to understand?

    Quit JAQing off and answer my questions motherfucker.

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  • Cummunism@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not lol just wanted to have a conversation about the topic because the “free speech except these people” viewpoint requires some objective point of reference for what’s acceptable.

    LIB

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  • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    free speech except these people" viewpoint requires some objective point of reference for what’s acceptable.

    Human welfare as decided by the humans in question. If we agree that we would overall benefit from Nazis being cast out, then that is all that is needed to cast them out.

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  • silent_water@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “free speech except these people” viewpoint requires some objective point of reference for what’s acceptable

    it extremely doesn’t. communities have standards – they get to decide.

    It’s fairly obvious to 99% of people when it’s things like Nazis and pedos but it’s not always as clearcut with more controversial topics

    I’d extremely like to know what more controversial topics you have in mind blob-no-thoughts

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    • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Furries, lot of people don’t like them but also don’t think they should be globally silenced unless they are actual zoophiles

      People using words other people don’t like that aren’t necessarily used in a hateful way, some people don’t want to see that some don’t care.

      Was on a gmod server before that had a total free speech rule where people would say horrendous shit to be edgy but one day they banned one slur for one group of people specifically which felt kinda weird

      Hexbears. A lot of people call for you guys to get defederated, but have seen a few hexbears be genuinely nice and helpful. I’m sure you can see my point with that one

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      • silent_water@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        People using words other people don’t like that aren’t necessarily used in a hateful way, some people don’t want to see that some don’t care.

        Was on a gmod server before that had a total free speech rule where people would say horrendous shit to be edgy but one day they banned one slur for one group of people specifically which felt kinda weird

        nah, slurs 100℅ deserve a ban. miss me with this shit. Im also shocked, shocked that you defend the use of slurs. I wonder why you’d use a website like that thonk

        Furries, lot of people don’t like them but also don’t think they should be globally silenced unless they are actual zoophiles

        lmao it’s definitely impossible to make the case that a group of largely queer people deserve protection - I’ve definitely never made this case at length and vigorously on this website because it’s impossible to do without uhhh checks notes freeze-peach.

        hexbears

        lmao, I and most other hexbears don’t give the smallest shit if liberals defed us because we’re rude. we carved out a place for ourselves and made a happy and comfortable home for 3 years without federation - we recruit offline, into orgs, not online. lemmy is a place for us to decompress and commiserate, not a means or an end.

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      • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Hexbears. A lot of people call for you guys to get defederated, but have seen a few hexbears be genuinely nice and helpful. I’m sure you can see my point with that one

        Put it to a vote. If they vote against us, then c’est la vie. My only stipulation is that we get a chance to present our case (as our opponents also would).

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