And so is the rest is the rest of the world, especially India and South America, afaik. God, I wish we could get rid of it once and for all.
ThatHermanoGuy@midwest.social 11 months ago
I hope that also includes WhatsApp. Europeans are addicted to that shit.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 months ago
echodot@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Tell Apple to get rid of their BS iMessage policys then. Apple are the reason iMessage doesn’t work on Android, not Google.
red@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I’m addicted to Viber, not Whatsapp
space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I’m not addicted. I hate it. It’s a horrible chat app. I especially hate the lack of threads (or at least pinned posts) in groups, I have to scroll through pages of garbage to see that important announcement. I also hate that it’s linked to my phone. If I want to use it on my computer, because I hate typing on phones, it needs my phone to be always connected.
I’m stuck with it because everyone else is using it.
theonetruejason@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You mean you keep using this thing despite hating it? Now I’ve known a few addicts in my time and that is pretty much the definition…
viking@infosec.pub 11 months ago
Shit? It works across all platforms, in all countries, unrestricted and unpaid, and thus far, adfree. That’s pretty great, if you ask me.
Smokeydope@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Its pretty good deal until you consider what facebook gets out of it. Privately owning the primary source of communication that a large chunk of the world uses because its free and convinent will surely have no reprocussions to end users now and later down the line.
Oh who am I kidding like anyone who uses whatsapp or any meta owned service cares about things like privacy as long as they get their free communication they are happy as peaches and will take any amount of corpo dicking
viking@infosec.pub 11 months ago
It’s end to end encrypted, so they don’t get to see any of my communication. They know who I’m talking to through my metadata, and can probably estimate where in the world I am, but that’s about it.
Sure, Signal would be better, but people are notoriously hard to adapt, so that’s wishful thinking at best.
Smokeydope@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“today we are announcing that anyone who would like to continue end to end encryption will need to pay an extra 30$ per month” Also im not sure how much I would trust e2e on any meta software there may very well be backdoors that let them get the clear text from either end.
Definitely agree that people are hard to change, especially once they get used to a service they like that is extremely popular. Its a human nature problem, and those don’t have easy solutions. Who knows maybe meta/facebook will screw up sooo badly one day that even the most diehard fan will jump ship but I don’t see that happening. Corpos know just how to push things as far as they can without getting too burned.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
And who manages the encryption keys you think?
hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
WhatsApp can read your messages.
And the metadata’s not encrypted.
Unfortunately, too many hear “encrypted” and assume it’s automatically secure or private no matter what.
uzay@infosec.pub 11 months ago
Not everyone who cares about privacy is also into not being able to contact anyone anymore because all everyone around them uses is Whatsapp
hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Key words: “thus far”
Facebook wouldn’t have acquired it if they didn’t have plans to squeeze the living sole out of it. In due time. Their hope it’s that by then, all alternatives will be wiped out, and with it being so integrated as a daily driver, we’ll be paying a subscription, with no E2EE, sharing metadata (which btw is sometimes more valuable than the content of your messages) unwillingly.
What’s funny/crazy too is that all the top execs (including Zuck himself) use Signal. That’s the irony of the digital world we live in: the closer you are to these technologies, the more you learn, and the less subjected to it you actually wanna be.
Frays6142@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Do you have a source for what tools they use?
hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Zuck uses Signal: mashable.com/article/zuckerberg-on-signal
Linda Yaccarino uses Signal (but not Twitter 🤣): 9to5mac.com/…/x-ceo-iphone-home-screen-x-isnt-the…
Other names are blanking right now off the top, but in The Social Dilemma, the engineers and ex-execs talk about not allowing their family members (especially kids) to be on the platforms they themselves built. I specifically remember an Instagram engineer (Bailey?) and a VP/president of Pinterest.