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I’ve been on the opposite side. A company I used to work for did a table at a job fair once. The candidates who showed up to talk to us were mostly under qualified for the entry level position we were trying to fill. And by that, I mean that people with zero knowledge, training or experience in our industry. Even one class or a little knowledge might have sufficed.

We had one guy lingering near our table who really seemed to want to work with us even though his skill set didn’t fit our needs at all and we told him as much. The whole thing was a big waste of time for us, we never did another one after that.

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CADmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

under qualified for the entry level position we were trying to fill.

Was it really “entry level” then?

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- tetelestia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  If “one class” or “a little knowledge” is enough, then yes, assuming it’s a position with advancement opportunities.
  
  For a desirable or career type position, showing some initiative is not an unreasonable ask.
  
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- Gimpydude@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Entry level means different things in different fields. Most skilled jobs do require some knowledge about the field, but don’t necessarily require previous work experience.
  
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  - JonEFive@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Thank you. This wasn’t a joke where we were like “entry level; requires 5 years of experience”. This job fair was at a community college… So it wouldn’t have been unreasonable to think that maybe someone there had some interest and at least a minimal level of training. Like I said, a class or two.
    
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- JonEFive@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yes. This wasn’t an open “literally anyone can do it” job. It’s entry level as in starting a path to a career. A certain aptitude is definitely necessary.
  
  Let me ask you this, is a job that requires a two year degree and zero years of experience entry level? Because our requirements were even less than that.
  
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  - CADmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I don’t know why you’re trying to convince me, its obvious its not as “entry level” as you thought, ans you cant find employees because the pay is very much “entry level”.
    
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    hydrospanner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    This.
    
    “Entry-level” is employerese for, “a professional position for which we don’t want to pay a professional rate”.
    
    Guessing from your username you’ve entered plenty of hiring managers looking for someone with multiple years experience in their specific niche field on exactly the software they use…for their entry level position that they want to pay less than 2x minimum wage.
    
    The last time I was job hunting, I thought there had to be a typo so I actually responded to an ad for a CAD drafter to fill an “entry level” position that they wanted ten years of experience to fill.
    
    I had the experience, so I figured I’d see what was going on. Surely someone along the hiring pipeline had screwed something up
    
    Nope!
    
    They really wanted a CAD drafter with a decade of experience for their entry level position to work for like $14/hr.
    
    When I told them how unrealistic that was, the response was something to the effect of “When we say entry level, we mean it as entry into our company. The pay may seem low but this will give you the opportunity to quickly earn raises as you take advantage of your employment in our great organization!”
    
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  - Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    is a job that requires a two year degree and zero years of experience entry level?
    
    Imo no, though companies use the term “entry level” VERY loosely.
    
    Many career paths will substitute experience for a degree. But there need to be true entry level jobs to give them that experience.
    
    It’s okay if you want someone who’s taken classes specific to your field, but I think it’s misleading to then call the job “entry level”.
    
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  - systemglitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It used to be once upon a time. Because companies invested in people and fully trained them themselves.
    
    Yes I know, times have changed.
    
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Otome-chan@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
>hiring for entry level

>saying people are underqualified

The problem is with the companies, not the job seekers. Actually offer true entry level positions, and actually hire the people that apply.

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- JonEFive@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Entry level doesn’t necessarily mean literally anyone can do it. What I meant was basically first job out of college. Except you could apply while you were still in college. If that isn’t entry level, I don’t know what is.
  
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  - Otome-chan@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Yeah those sorts of positions are usually locked to college students. So once you graduate you can no longer apply despite those being the positions you're qualified for.
    
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