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Comment on GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating systems — group says it will never require personal information

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kurwa@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

That’s there point, with this websites will just know the users age, before it was the users choice: “are you 18 or over?” But now it will be: “I know you’re 37.567 years old” user has no idea. Maybe we should add religion and skin color too

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chisel@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The idea of storing age in the OS is that end programs don’t actually access it directly. They get age ranges, like child/adult, not the actual birthdate. In theory, it’s much more private than uploading your id and photo to every random website/app that you use.

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- kurwa@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  If they age or birthdate is there it could leak, regardless of the API.
  
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NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Cookies already exist and there is countless leakage (both intentional and unintentional…). Like most things, you are not as private and protected as you seem to think you are. Just because a website is asking you to tell it (which is mostly for compliance, not knowledge) doesn’t mean they already know that you said you were 250 years old but your shopping habits suggest you are actually in your 20s and live in Detroit and really enjoy pegging.

Maybe we should add religion and skin color too

To my knowledge, very few nations tie laws or access to that slippery slope fallacy. And parents generally have those same traits (at least while the kid is living with them). So I am not seeing much benefit from this?

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- floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Like most things, you are not as private and protected as you seem to think you are.
  
  That doesn’t seem like a great argument for doing something that further reduces privacy and protection.
  
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  - NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    That doesn’t seem like a great argument for doing something that further reduces privacy and protection.
    
    The point is that, without third party verification (which I am vehemently opposed to), it changes absolutely nothing. So it is just people whining about “freedoms” they don’t even have.
    
    And… there actually are arguments that it is good to tear down the security/privacy theatre so that people can make informed decisions and understand their actual exposure and risks.
    
    A good example of this is that I am REALLY happy that we, as a society, have seen a drastic shift between calling things “Private Messages” and instead calling them “Direct Messages”. The former implies that only you and the recipient can see them. The latter does away with that and people rapidly learn (and communicate) that site owners and often mods can see everything you send along those venues.
    
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    ag10n@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Semantics
    
    Privacy is a human right and I have a choice to who an d which third party collects my data. My own computer with software I build myself doesn’t need mandated age gates.
    
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- kurwa@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is being baked in because of US law. I wouldn’t be surprised if the US made some federal laws requiring your religion in the near future.
  
  There’s a big difference between data collection and government mandated identification.
  
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  - NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    This is being baked in because of US law. I wouldn’t be surprised if the US made some federal laws requiring your religion in the near future.
    
    And that is why it is a slippery slope fallacy. Eventually, superpowers are going to want to have access to your machines (they already do, but mostly in isolated cases). So any kind of data storage and overrides should be destroyed. So let’s go shred our hard drives and remove the concept of sudo/root access?
    
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    kurwa@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    People can run secure systems that share minimal info. This requires all systems to store and share specific info. So you’re making it illegal to have a private system. Sure most people don’t, but now you’re making it illegal. You think that’s okay because we don’t have good privacy laws right now? You want to give up?
    
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