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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Wasn’t Mueller behind the massive illegal spying program under George Bush Jr?
Opponents have challenged provisions of the USA Patriot Act, the focus of contentious debate on Capitol Hill this week, that expand domestic surveillance by giving the Federal Bureau of Investigation more power to collect information like library lending lists or Internet use. Military and F.B.I. officials have drawn criticism for monitoring what were largely peaceful antiwar protests.
Yes, but centrists expect us to move on and forget about all that stuff because they support it.
People like Obama and Mueller are entirely to blame for the role they played in the move towards state empowerment and fascism. However as they appear in opposition to Trump they will garner public sympathy.
Yes, there was his part in the selling of the WMD narrative in Iraq:
On February 11, 2003, one month before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Mueller gave testimony to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Mueller informed the American public that “[s]even countries designated as state sponsors of terrorism—Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Cuba, and North Korea—remain active in the United States and continue to support terrorist groups that have targeted Americans. As Director Tenet has pointed out, Secretary Powell presented evidence last week that Baghdad has failed to disarm its weapons of mass destruction, willfully attempting to evade and deceive the international community. Our particular concern is that Saddam Hussein may supply terrorists with biological, chemical or radiological material.”[48][49] Highlighting this worry in February 2003, FBI Special Agent Coleen Rowley wrote an open letter to Mueller in which she warned that “the bureau will [not] be able to stem the flood of terrorism that will likely head our way in the wake of an attack on Iraq”[50][51] and encouraged Mueller to “share [her concerns] with the President and Attorney General.”
But he did oppose the renewal of the warrantless wiretapping:
On March 10, 2004, while United States Attorney General John Ashcroft was at the George Washington University Hospital for gallbladder surgery,[52] then-deputy attorney general James Comey received a call from Ashcroft’s wife informing him that White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales were about to visit Ashcroft to convince him to renew a program of warrantless wiretapping under the Terrorist Surveillance Program which the DOJ ruled unconstitutional.[52] Ashcroft refused to sign, as he had previously agreed, but the following day the White House renewed the program anyway.[52] Mueller and Comey then threatened to resign.[53] On March 12, 2004, after private, individual meetings with Mueller and Comey at the White House, the president supported changing the program to satisfy the concerns of Mueller, Ashcroft, and Comey.
Shirasho@lemmings.world 16 hours ago
What Obama said was not entirely true to Robert’s personality and actions, but that is beside the point.
The point is that some people have decorum and are good speakers. Some people, even if they don’t mean it, are respectful of the dead, even if they don’t deserve it.
And some manchildren have none of that. The day that man baby dies I probably won’t have any decorum either.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Obama very wisely and maturely appointed Mueller’s protege James Comey to head the FBI. Comey very diligently and methodically played Ds and Rs against one another to secure his position as a radical centrist. And between the two of them, the conditions were laid for a Manchild to take control of the executive branch.
I just don’t get the need for hagiography. All these guys sucked. Some of them were just smoother about it than others.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
All politicians may suck ass.
However, Obama is not a pedophile, rapist, and convicted felon. That’s all about Cheeto Chimp.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
He sent his kids to work at Miramax fully aware of Harvey Weinstein’s history. He spent more labor and resources conducting a Cold War across Latin America and the Middle East than cracking down on the crooks, the white nationalists, and the pedophiles at home.
Ffs, his chief economic advisor - Larry Summers - absolutely was a pedophile. As were his political allies in the tech sector, Elon Musk and Bill Gates.
If he wasn’t personally schtupping kids, he was enabling and enriching those that did.
Trump, himself, was engaged in open and notorious human trafficking through Eastern Europe during Obama’s tenure. This whole thing could have been nipped in the bud if his FBI director James Comey cared half as much about Krasnov as Hillary’s emails.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 14 hours ago
If Trump wasn’t any of those 3 things, would you have any more positive view on what he’s done while in office?
Deceptichum@quokk.au 14 hours ago
“It doesn’t matter if he was evil, he spoke well and respect bad people dying”
Why do centrists always police language over action?
Shirasho@lemmings.world 12 hours ago
You just assumed I’m a centrist because I expect politicians to be respectful of each other? Holy shit dude there is something wrong with your moral compass. Respecting people and disagreeing with them are not mutually exclusive.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 10 hours ago
I assumed you’re a centrist because you went on to praise “decorum” instead of the negatives he did, but I suppose to be fair you could also be a right winger.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
“Decorum” is a top principle of so-called centrists.