People and cultures have very different ideas about what constitutes abuse of children. Some cultures would consider it abusive not to cut off parts of their children’s genitals.
What’s your relationship with proverbs 13:24?
Comment on The 10 Commandments apparently mentions absolutely nothing about protecting children from abuse.
DomeGuy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The ten commandments are a old testament thing, textually written by Moses as he attempted to copy the ones God had written and that Moses shattered after the golden calf.
Christianity extended the Jewish scripture with the gospels, which include a story where God Himself Slumming As A Human was asked what the most important part of the law was, and Jesus said “love” twice.
If “love everyone as you love yourself” doesn’t lead you to not abusing children, I don’t think any book of good behavior is going to stop you.
m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
DomeGuy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I don’t feel bound by any part of the system of violent punishments that Jesus rebuked. Especially not one line which wasn’t even from either listing of the Jewish law in the Torah.
OTOH, there is something to be said for actually teaching children to behave. Using a rod to spank children is a failure of patenting, but so is letting your kid run around the restaurant making a mess because you can’t bear to rebuke them.
(And, again: Proverbs is a pre-Christian work that was incorporated by the gentike Christians when they formalized a canon for the Roman empire.)
m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
So how much child beating is necessary for it to not be hating a child? How much/little is abuse?
Beating children is not an effective way to get them to behave. But people didn’t know that (and still don’t) so they thought/think they need to beat good behaviour into their kids.
DomeGuy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Do you want to have a real discussion about morality and religious teaching, or are you just in search of an gotcha quote because you feel the need to reinforce your theocratic nihilism by arguing with a theist on the internet?
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The letter J wasn’t even invented until the year 1524AD, so as a logical person, I think it’s all a load of horseshit written by people after the year 1524, not all that long in historical context to the invention of the printing press in 1440, to brainwash and control the masses as they gradually started teaching average people how to read.
Government + Vatican control of the people…
DomeGuy@lemmy.world 1 week ago
“Jesus must be a myth because the English J was only invented in the 1500s” may well be the dumbest argument against the historical Jesus that anyone has ever made.
You are of course entirely free to doubt his divinity or the existence of God, but asseting that both the religion founded by his teachings and the 1s century rabbi were invented after Columbus’s voyage is just bad history.
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I never said Jesus never existed, but also I have no reason to believe he was any better or worse than any other innocent person murdered by the government of the time.
To obsess about one single person killed by corrupt government over 2000 years ago is to ignore the genocide going on today. ☹️
Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 6 days ago
The significance of Jesus is the movement he spawned. I’m not talking about the Catholic church as it was codified by the Romans a few centuries after his death, but about the movement of Jesus which spread far and wide directly after he died. This movement flourished not by the blade and the authority of oppressive regimes, but because it simply spoke deeply to people, especially the poor and disenfranchised. This kind of thing only happened a handful of times during history.
He was important because he created a blueprint for resistance of the oppressed, in a time where such resistance was a very hard sell because it went so contrary to the norms and cultures.