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Comment on YSK that Joseph Stalin created the Great Terror. He started killing people randomly including artists, generals, doctors, scientists, government officials. Everyone was terrified.

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Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Not necssesarily defend, but they shift blame away from Stalin. Essentially, “He was bad, but not THAT bad, that’s just western propaganda”

You’ll see commonly that .ml excuses the famines (yes, plural) created by Stalin by shifting the blame towards environmental factors like “oh but there was a bit of a drought” or “they actually did it all themselves by burning their grain”, “it was to stop the Nazis from siezing the grain themselves”, the list of excuses goes on.

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BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I saw once a dude defending Mao cause “famines happen like great potatoe famine”

except one was on mid 1800s and the other was in 1960s…

These people are mental.

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silentjohn@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Essentially, “He was bad, but not THAT bad, that’s just western propaganda”

www.cia.gov/…/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf

“Even in Stalin’s time, there was collective leadership. The Western idea of a dictator within the communist setup is exaggerated.”.

“tankies” though, amirite?

the list of excuses goes on.

A much more convenient excuse is that the USA is telling the truth about USSR while simultaneously executing millions of communists in South America, Africa, and Asia and lying about pretty much everything regarding anti-capitalism over the past century.

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- Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  LMAO. How to summon the .ml warrior with this one simple step. Thank you for proving my point.
  
  The US is not the only source of information regarding USSR, you’re acting like we in Europe don’t know what happened right next to us.
  
  Plenty of us millenials are old enough to have spoken to our late great grandparents. Who saw what happened with their own eyes. Or did you forget that one little detail? It’s not very convenient for you is it. That we’ve actually still have accounts of those who witnessed and experienced it first hand.
  
  Fuck the USSR, fuck the apologists, fuck Russia, and fuck the US.
  
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  - silentjohn@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Me: provides evidence from the CIA itself, directly related to the topic on hand
    
    Another user: provides evidence that many/most ex-soviet citizens actually preferred Socialism vs the Shock Capitalism they experienced. (Read Shock Doctrine and Blackshirts and Reds)
    
    You: nuh uhh! My great grandparents told me a story once!
    
    How to summon the .ml warrior with this one simple step.
    
    Yes indeed. I fight against misinformation and for human rights. I support and march alongside strikers. I confront Proud Boys and other fascists. I resist against ICE. I fight for LGBTQ+ and BIPOC rights. I am active in mutual aid in my community. I’ve helped put Progressives and Socialists in elected office. I’m organizing my community against fascism and capitalism that ruins our lives.
    
    You? Well … what have you accomplished lately?
    
    That we’ve actually still have accounts of those who witnessed and experienced it first hand.
    
    Yes of course. And there’s Cubans in Miami who denounce Cuba. Nevermind that these people are all ex-land owners, factory owners, and capitalists who exploited the working class for their own benefit. Castro was kind enough to exile them instead of what Mao did.
    
    Myth: Communism Killed 100 Million+ People
    
    Debunked:
    
    Death tolls often include WWII casualties, famines, and natural disasters, misattributed to communism.
    
    Capitalist atrocities (Native American genocide, transatlantic slavery) dwarf these numbers.
    
    Sources like the “Black Book of Communism” are ideologically biased and widely discredited.
    
    Myth: “Communist countries have no food!”
    
    Busted:
    
    Famines (e.g., USSR 1921) were caused by war/sanctions, not socialism.
    
    Socialist states often had better nutrition than capitalist peers (e.g., Cuba’s food security vs. US food deserts).
    
    Capitalist countries waste 40% of food while millions starve.
    
    A good book to read is Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism by Kristen Ghodsee. So yea, read some books. Or rely on anecdotes 2 generations removed lol
    
    Blocking you, I have no desire to continue this thread.
    
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  - Ferrous@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    A 2013 Gallup survey showed that 66% of Armenians thought the dissolution of the USSR was harmful
    
    In a 2016 survey, 69% of Azerbaijanis believed life was better under the USSR.
    
    In a 2016 survey, it increased to 53% of Belarusians saying life was better under the USSR
    
    Another Pew survey, also in 2017, showed that 43% of Georgians thought the dissolution was a good thing, compared to 42% who thought it was a bad thing.
    
    In a 2016 survey, around 60% of Kazakhs above the age of 35 believed life was better under the USSR.
    
    A 2013 Gallup survey showed that 61% of Kyrgyz thought the dissolution of the USSR was harmful, compared to 16% who thought it was beneficial.
    
    A 2013 Gallup survey showed that 42% of Moldovans thought the dissolution of the USSR was harmful, compared to 26% who thought it was beneficial.[7] Regret about dissolution later increased to 70% according to a 2017 Pew survey, with only 18% saying the dissolution was a good thing.
    
    Levada polling since the mid-1990s on the preferred political and economic system of Russians also shows nostalgia for the Soviet Union, with the most recent polling in 2021 showing 49% preferring the Soviet political system, compared to 18% preferring the current system, and 16% preferring Western democracy, as well as 62% saying they preferred a system of economic planning compared to 24% preferring a market capitalist economy.
    
    en.wikipedia.org/…/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union
    
    Further, let’s look at the actual referendum:
    
    Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?
    
    Yes - 77.8%
    
    en.wikipedia.org/…/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum
    
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    Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Your survey there seems to include most ex Soviet states. But it would seem you forgot atleast 3. I don’t see Lithuania, Estonia or Latvia there. I wonder why you chose to not include them.
    
    Oh, was it because in Estonia 75% said the dissolution was good (15% bad)
    
    Latvia because 53% said it was good (35% bad)
    
    Or Lithuani where 62% said it was good (23% bad), whom in 1991 according to pew, showed that 13% of them rated their lives as “good”. Where as 44% in 2019.
    
    I have no doubt, that those living in the smaller ex Soviet states were favorable. Their gdppc and ppp are significantly lower than Russias. And they probably think being part of a much larger nation will give them the benefit of a larger economy. That is, until they saw what happened to Ukraine. Which is why almost all of them, except Belarus. Have sought influence elsewhere, mainly China and Turkey.
    
    Though I’d do like to add one final note. Those who disliked Stalin either fled, hid, or “dissapeared”. What’s left are those who remained loyal or hid well enough. The love for Stalin was not out of respect, it was out of fear.
    
    We see all the morons in the US praising Trump. No amount of incompetence will ever make them leave the cult. Reminds me of someone…
    
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