Stop. Giving. Them. Ideas.
Sure, ban hardware stores after that.
TootSweet@lemmy.world 1 day ago
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
While I am fully opposed to a 3d printer ban (and abhor the efforts of Bambu et al to sneak that in), it is very important to understand why that is not a fair comparison and, if anything, sets a threshold that can be used to argue FOR a ban.
I’ve ranted in detail before so I’ll do the short version this time:
You are not going to make a barrel or springs yourself. And the good news is that you don’t need to. None of that is a controlled/registered part (for the vast majority of guns) and you can literally buy those at a walmart equivalent. And there at least used to be pre-packaged bundles available online for your ghost gun needs.
So that mostly leaves the receiver and fire control unit. I will bet you money that giving a rando off the street 24 hours to figure out how to go to the local communal machine shop and make even a frigging sten and they will fail miserably. Whereas there are videos (fuck vice for how they abused their workers but old-vice has a really good video where they literally made the gun Luigi allegedly used) of people going from 0 to glock in 12 hours of print time and 4-5 hours of filing.
And that is the big difference. How much that matters when you are considering a country where you can buy the same gear that Tier 1 Special Forces use to abduct (admittedly really shitty) world leaders for under a thousand bucks is a HUGE question. But from the “ghost gun” perspective? There is VERY much a big difference between having a CNC and machining a receiver+FCU versus doing the same with an Ender 3.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
Why don’t they make firing chambers and barrels out of plastic? Are gun makers stupid?
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
There actually are some really cool proof of concepts where people have 100% 3d printed a gun. And “potato cannons” are generally a PVC firing chamber and barrel.
For legal purposes: Preface everything after this with a dozen "allegedly"s. A couple years back I went to a really cool event where people had built machine guns out of wood and plastic (FDM). None had any issue with doing well over 100 rounds each. That said, anyone with half a brain cell was literally hiding in a bunker nearby out of terror when the firing was going on. But… yeah.
Like anything, it is about pressure, strength, and geometry. And, as The Troubles in Ireland can attest… you don’t need THAT much skill to make something that will fire… once. Which is why there are so many shed machine guns and rifles with split barrels and completely exploded receivers in The Royal Armouries.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Philip A. Luty smiles
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 day ago
Reminds me of a time when I went to a maker space open house, and they were showing all kinds of cool stuff, including fairly advanced 3D printers for time. They mentioned there was programming to halt prints of things like gun parts, so it would be very hard to make guns using them. I commented, “Besides, you can make better ones in the metal shop in the other room.” He replied, “Yeah! <brief pause> No!”
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 23 hours ago
People have been making versions of zip guns forever.
DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Four Winds Shotgun is a good thing to know about. I don’t think you even need a machine shop.
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 22 hours ago
Is that the sliding pipe gun? I think all you need is materials, a hack saw, and a drill. But with a machine shop, the materials list is just steel and some springs, and you can have a gun as good as any we had prior to the last century.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Even rifling can be cut with nothing more than a hardened piece of tool steel, a green sapling and a bit of time and patience to make what’s called ‘Scratch rifling’. Even a wooden rifling machine isn’t hard to make if you want to boost production a bit.
And yes, the metal working shop I own is perfectly capable of making every piece of any firearm you might want. I have even made a black powder 2" Coehorn mortar to launch baby food jars filled with concrete 100s of yards. I know guys who have made full sized and functioning Gatling guns down to the horse-drawn trail it was mounted to. An expensive and time-consuming endeavor.
But it makes the general populace feel good and gives politicians more power.