Comment on Hopefully this means it will be a full trial with an outcome unbiased by media

• saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My entire comment is condemning people that make another’s life so bad that things like suicide, emotional scarring, mental health, and poor livelihood in general are common outcomes.

  If anyone would like to disagree… Jesus.

  I was careful to not open a window for statistics, as that would be unrelated. And went further to make adement that there is no “which is worse” argument, as that is also completely unrelated to the issue of people’s wellbeing and those that devistate it.

  The point is simply that things like a lack of anonymity in such cases has created severe trauma of an innocent person and the rise of it during the MeToo movement simply underscores that.

  When a person is found guilty of rape or false accusation of rape, good riddance. Until then, a court should be fully aware that the public’s barrel of torches and pitchforks is not labelled “Innocent until proven guilty”.

  It’s truly remarkable and concerning, the weird tangents and views some people share on the internet. I’ll be optimistic in saying that it’s likely a desire to just have interaction through argument, not sheet stupidity comprehension of what’s being said/going on.

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  • spiffmeister@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What happens to people who have been raped and weren’t believed or were falsely accused of faking it? Just wondering if they have similar experiences with mental health?

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    • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I imagine that’s extremely likely, yes.

      Odd question to ask.

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      • spiffmeister@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well as people worried about victims I’d just be worried it might seem a tad disingenuous quote from a vast minority of cases and not provide any quotes from victims that never see justice you know?

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  • No1@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But you haven’t answered my question. Let me try putting it another way.

    Should this anonymity, which you stated to be the most important thing, apply to all criminal and civil trials, or only to alleged rape cases?

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    • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In my personal opinion? I guess.

      Life goes on fine without knowing who all the people are in courts around the world are right now. Unless the public is involved or impacted, or there’s an entity like a business or association on trial, I don’t really see wha lacking the choice of anonymity does to help anyone.

      I’m no lawyer though and it’s surely not as simple as that. But just like anything involving personal or sensitive information about a person, it should be protected. Especially when, at least in principle, the justice system is there to protect, under innocence until proven guilty with no bias.

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      • No1@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Principle of open justice

        Whatever [the media’s] motives in reporting, their opportunity to do so arises out of a principle that is fundamental to our society and method of government: except in extraordinary circumstances, the courts of the land are open to the public. This principle arises out of the belief that exposure to public scrutiny is the surest safeguard against any risk of the courts abusing their considerable powers. As few members of the public have the time, or even the inclination, to attend courts in person, in a practical sense this principle demands that the media be free to report what goes on in them: R v Davis (1995) 57 FCR 512 at 514.

        Lots more at Source

        I understand that it’s tragic that some innocent people are destroyed either directly or indirectly by the justice system. Lindy Chamberlain anyone? Hell, people have been hanged and later proven innocent. And the media in general sucks.

        But I think the alternative to open justice would end up being a lot worse.

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