Comment on Without a hint of irony, Russia mocks US for 'miscalculating' Iran war

• IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The fact that Ukraine was starting to get into NATO effectively meant more Western influence near Russia. Also, any plans of Russian expansion would be dead because Ukraine would be a NATO country. So I think what he meant by “choking Russia” is disallowing them to take over Ukraine.

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• cosecantphi@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ukraine joining NATO has been Russia’s clearly stated red line for decades, guarantees for the non-expansion of NATO into the former Eastern Bloc, Ukraine chief among them, was even a major condition for the Soviet Union to agree to dissolve. Then NATO and the US organized the Maidan coup, and Ukraine started ethnically cleansing Eastern Ukraine of Russian speakers to the point that Ukraine was in a civil war with the breakaway republics.

  Russia tried to deal with this diplomatically for many years through every channel at their disposal, but as it turned out NATO, the US, and Ukraine were negotiating entirely in bad faith to give Ukraine time to militarize. This war was several decades in the making and Russia was not at all the aggressor, even if they severely miscalculated what the cost of the war would be.

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  • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If the US wanted the war, then why are they fickle with Ukraine support? Also, why does Russia care what the Ukraine does. How is NATO bothering them? [Serious, am dumb]

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    • cosecantphi@hexbear.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Russia’s border with Ukraine is its most vulnerable land border, and Ukraine in NATO means a hostile military alliance with direct access to said border with the ability to militarize it with nuclear capable cruise missiles: eurasiantimes.com/analysis-us-withdrawal-from-ant…

      This was not a revanchist land grab nor was it resource motivated, the regions Russia annexed were for the most part already in a several years long civil war against the post Maidan coup government which was carrying out a campaign to ethnically cleanse eastern Ukraine of Russian speakers. By 2022 Ukraine had broken both Minsk treaties in which it promised to cease these ethnic cleansing campaigns. orinocotribune.com/former-german-chancellor-merke…

      As for why the US is fickle with military support, I imagine it’s because the US is very aware by now Ukraine will lose this war and simply does not see a reason to continue wasting weaponry when the war has already served its purpose in destroying Russian relations with Europe and putting a newly minted failed state on Russia’s border for it to deal with in perpetuity.

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