Ladybird is being rewritten in Rust by AI for no reason whatsoever. Browsers should be secure, and vibe coding prevents security.
Currently I am hopeful for Servo. Its development is not as far along, but it seems way saner. It bans AI contribution, and it’s intended to be very performant.
BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ladybird is pretty much dead to me, firstly because the dev has some really bad right wing vibes (he said gender inclusive language is too political for his docs and retweeted a Nazi on Twitter). And secondly because the started using AI to move the code to Rust to make it more secure, which is insane if you know anything about AI or security.
My current hope is in servo, because they have much more capable maintainers and the project seems to make some good progress. Also they have daily builds on their website for every operating system, so you can already try it out easily (but don’t expect everything to work right now, they still need some time).
potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
I did not know about the AI stuff. However, I do think that the “inclusion” controversy is way overblown. Why in the world would you need to have “gender inclusive language” in the docs for a browser engine?
SaraTonin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Or we could ask the question in the opposite direction - why would you use language which excluded anybody who doesn’t identify as male from the documentation for an open-source project, to the point where when someone offers to update the language for you your response is to rant about “personal politics” and write a contribution policy which forbids the use of gender-neutral language?
potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Can you provide an example of this non-inclusive language? I honestly can’t even come up with an example for web browser documentation that would refer to any gender at all.
A7thStone@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Whether or not the inclusion controversy is “overblown” (it’s not; single word change would have made more people feel welcome, but Kling decided to put his for down) Kling has down himself to be Nazi adjacent.
hyperborea.org/reviews/…/ladybird-inclusivity/
potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Apparently Kling was against using “they” instead of “he”. While I do agree that it’s wrong and gender neutral terms should be used, I wouldn’t “cancel” the guy over it. Afaik they are using gender neutral terms now.
The other stuff about Kling mentioned at the bottom of your link is worrying though. It’s a shame a project as important and necessary as Ladybird was created by a person like him :(
Zetta@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Good thing it’s an open source project so it doesn’t really matter at all what you think of someone working on it imo
B3rn4yy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I won’t use < insert FOSS Project > because of political vibes.
I see this shit almost everyday. Absolute npc behaviour.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
NPC behavior is not having any sense of morality and the backbone to take a stand, but I get it, it’s far more comfortable to just put your head in the sand and consume
B3rn4yy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Consume what exactly in this context?
Also you self righteous people still didn’t tell me why you won’t use the browser expect for vibes so I don’t really feel bad for “consuming”
Zetta@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Yea I just don’t get it for open source software, like you aren’t supporting their agenda by using the free fucking software
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
why don’t you just use chromium? it is open source, you can fork it!
ATPA9@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I tried out the servo alpha on android and it is surprisingly usable for something so early in development
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Seems like the goal of Servo is to be used for embedded applications rather than as a full fledged browser. Is the idea that someone else will build a full browser on top of servo?
Zetta@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Ladybird is gonna be awesome, you are overblowing things, it’s an open source project chill out. Also sevro is not currently really being designed as a desktop web browser. Its a web engine for light weight embedded applications. Ladybird is currently the only in development webbrowser that is primarily designed with desktop maim browser use.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t think it’s overblowing things at all when I look at these tweets: nitter.net/awesomekling/…/1966456391146606806 nitter.net/awesomekling/…/1971287738268909576
That dev seems to be a real piece of shit.
Zetta@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
I’m glad Kirk got necked and it’s sad he supports him, but that doesn’t change the fact ladybird is an exciting open source project that I can’t wait to try out.
InternetEnjoyer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Looking at those tweets I would say it is way overblown. People act like it’s the end of the world if there is a slight disagreement.
InternetEnjoyer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This whole ”controversy” surrounding Ladybird is such a nothing burger, people are just looking for an excuse to be offended. Is everyone you disagree with either right wing and nazis?