Comment on Easy-to-use solar panels are coming, but utilities are trying to delay them

• TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It is a commercial product, connected to the grid via a standard schuko plug, sold in Germany.

  Or you buy it in Aliexpress/Temu and it will have whatever it will have, no policeman is going to come check if the panel they see from the street has a stamp or not.

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  • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But if your house burns down because of your unlicensed configuration, the insurance won’t pay, and if people got hurt there will be a criminal investigation.

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    • TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And this still results in innocent third parties being hurt

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      • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes, so people should stick to the legal options. It isn’t hard.

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• artyom@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It has to be compliant with the local law to be sold legally.

  So you can’t buy raw solar panels or inverters in Germany?

  It all shouldn’t be so difficult to understand.

  It’s not, which is why I’m not sure why you’re struggling.

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  • ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So you can’t buy raw solar panels or inverters in Germany?

    Sure you can. Solar panels will be fried by grid voltage more or less immediately if you connect them directly to a wall socket and become useless.

    You cannot buy a PV inverter in Germany (entire EU really) that doesn’t automatically shut off if it doesn’t detect a frequency to sync against from it’s AC side, unless it can run off-grid in which case it has to disble the grid connection within the same 20ms.

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You cannot buy a PV inverter in Germany (entire EU really) that doesn’t automatically shut off if it doesn’t detect a frequency to sync against from it’s AC side, unless it can run off-grid in which case it has to disble the grid connection within the same 20ms.

      So you can’t buy a grid-connected inverter with off-grid capabilities? Because the inverter has no way to tell the difference between the grid being off, and being off-grid.

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      • ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh you can buy off grid inverters (or inverters capable of “island mode”). But they are required to be able to automatically disconnect from grid, even if they are never going to be connected to a grid. You can’t buy solar inverters without this for the exact reason that you can connect them to grid.

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  • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Of course you can buy whatever you like, and whatever is being sold has to be compliant with local legal requirements.

    If you buy illegal stuff and cause problems, you will have problems with your insurance and potentially, legal ones.

    And that’s all I’m going to say on the matter. HAND.

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There’s no way to prevent people from connecting perfectly legal equipment in an illegal manner, where otherwise there would be.

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