Comment on Easy-to-use solar panels are coming, but utilities are trying to delay them

• artyom@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What license? Who is coming to verify your license?

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  • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It is a commercial product, connected to the grid via a standard schuko plug, sold in Germany. It has to be compliant with the local law to be sold legally.

    It all shouldn’t be so difficult to understand.

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It has to be compliant with the local law to be sold legally.

      So you can’t buy raw solar panels or inverters in Germany?

      It all shouldn’t be so difficult to understand.

      It’s not, which is why I’m not sure why you’re struggling.

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      • ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        So you can’t buy raw solar panels or inverters in Germany?

        Sure you can. Solar panels will be fried by grid voltage more or less immediately if you connect them directly to a wall socket and become useless.

        You cannot buy a PV inverter in Germany (entire EU really) that doesn’t automatically shut off if it doesn’t detect a frequency to sync against from it’s AC side, unless it can run off-grid in which case it has to disble the grid connection within the same 20ms.

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      • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Of course you can buy whatever you like, and whatever is being sold has to be compliant with local legal requirements.

        If you buy illegal stuff and cause problems, you will have problems with your insurance and potentially, legal ones.

        And that’s all I’m going to say on the matter. HAND.

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  • ywuduyu@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You are only allowed to dell inverters improved by VDE

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Again I ask, if there is no permit, how will the utilities know you are in compliance with this law?

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      • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You are required to notify your utilities that you’ll be operating a direct plugged small solar PV installation, that’s it. They can’t forbid you from doing this.

        The utilities don’t monitor compliance, the manufacturer is.

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In the United States that would be UL Certification.

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    • artyom@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      UL is not a license. It’s a certification. And you forgot the second question.

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      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        UL certification is a requirement for an electric or electronic product to be licensed for sale to consumers in the US. This is enforced on US manufacturers of a product and on importers.

        Whilst people buying something from AliExpress for personal use and importing it themselves don’t have to obbey such requirements, those importing them or making them for sale in the US do.

        The CE mark does the same thing in the EU.

        No idea if in the US there are further licensing requirements for things to be connected to the grid that would close the importing for personal use loophole.

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